Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?

[MTK]

I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.

[SFREDSKIN]

I couldn't agree more with the statement that "they could blow anyone out". They just need to start using all 7 receivers (5 WR, 2 TE) and if they do their job there's just no stopping. I would love to see that.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.

So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.

so, in your opinion, does this go back to a WCO 2-3 year learning curve? Is it the concept that the mistakes will correct themselves with more practice, or, the concept that mistakes happen just because mistakes happen, and we have to deal with that fact, period? Or is it back to a mental aspect, like with DT, and that throughout the game some players are not able to focus throughout and that is what is limiting this offense?

Really just curious about your opinion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.

Yeah I took it as, everyone just needs to do their job and stop worrying about winning the game on every play, and things will take care of themselves. I think Cooley may have been hinting that guys are pressing and need to relax.

[Trample the Elderly]

They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

You're really adamant about this benching Moss thing. I don't think there's really anyone else we have that would make a good #1. I mean you could bump Malcolm Kelly up to #1, make Thomas #2 and keep ARE in the slot, making Mitchell the #4..

But that seems all sorts of messy. And how long would you wanna bench Moss for? I bet if we did that to him, especially for more than a week, he'd probably want out.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

You're really adamant about this benching Moss thing. I don't think there's really anyone else we have that would make a good #1. I mean you could bump Malcolm Kelly up to #1, make Thomas #2 and keep ARE in the slot, making Mitchell the #4..

But that seems all sorts of messy. And how long would you wanna bench Moss for? I bet if we did that to him, especially for more than a week, he'd probably want out.

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

Come on Kelly has what 5 catches in the NFL and that show you keyy is ready to be a #1 WR.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

Please! elaborate on "mental weakness" when it comes to Moss, exactly what is that?

[ChickenMonkey]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

So twice that you can think of.....



And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

So twice that you can think of.....



And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?

Your love for Motorhead is well founded. Your love for Moss isn't.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

On the pick last week how could you tell he gave up on the play as JC was 3 yards down field before he threw the ball. Do you attend alott of games?

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...