Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...

That's simply not true. Kelly was open a number of times but Campbell either overthrew him, didn't see him, or was locked on to Cooley or ARE. Now, ARE got us quite a few yards, so i'm not criticizing that, but Kelly was doing his job and getting open. Maybe not on every play, but no one gets open on every play. Kelly did his job. ARE did his job. Cooley did his job. Our offensive line did their job. I can't definitively say that about any other offensive player.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

On the pick, both he and the corner were trying to toe tap the line as the ball was actually caught outside the plane of the playing field. The corner had the inside edge on a ball thrown slightly behind Moss as Moss was fighting the momentum carrying him out of bounds. On top of that, the QB was well past the yard marker.

Hard to accuse Moss of giving up on a route that had carried all but his toes out of bounds, thrown slightly behind him, and on which the QB had already gone beyond the line of scrimmage (how can you give up on a pass route when the play can no longer legally be considered a pass??). The pick was all Jason.

Sometimes you guys hate just to hate. I mean jeeez.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

On the pick, both he and the corner were trying to toe tap the line as the ball was actually caught outside the plane of the playing field. The corner had the inside edge on a ball thrown slightly behind Moss as Moss was fighting the momentum carrying him out of bounds. On top of that, the QB was well past the yard marker.

Hard to accuse Moss of giving up on a route that had carried all but his toes out of bounds, thrown slightly behind him, and on which the QB had already gone beyond the line of scrimmage (how can you give up on a pass route when the play can no longer legally be considered a pass??). The pick was all Jason.

Sometimes you guys hate just to hate. I mean jeeez.

That was a pretty picture you painted partner but I saw it differently. I saw that Moss was possibly supposed to run an out route. He ran up and started out. He slowed down to almost a walk. When seeing JC scrambling he continued his route at a slow jog and ran toward the side line. At the point JC was scrambling He was only 5yrds off the side line. He had to stop to keep his toes in bounds no doubt. The defender ran into him (which I still think should have been a foul) knocking him out of bounds prior to the interception.

All JC...no. Sorry. When he saw his QB was in trouble he should have came back to the ball, changed his out route to an in route/slant, faked the defender with a stop and go...anything but he didn't. He continued his route to the sideline with little room left to continue. That's atleast half his fault also.

JC on the other hand should have thrown the ball away.

Between the defense trying so hard to punish the Giants with outstanding hits that they missed tackles and the offense trying to hard to make a play we lost.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

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I definitely remember him doing it (giving up on a play) on "one" of Collins picks in the playopffs game against Seattle.

Speaking of this game. This is the last time I saw Landry play lights out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

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I definitely remember him doing it (giving up on a play) on "one" of Collins picks in the playopffs game against Seattle.

Speaking of this game. This is the last time I saw Landry play lights out.

I still haven't forgiven Moss for that. It was the playoffs, for gosh sake. And that pick was returned for the score that sealed the game.

[tootergray34]

Could not agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by trample the elderly

they have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it i will, santana moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in malcolm kelly or marko mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

Well like I stated on another thread S.Moss did not show up to play. He let Webster get in his head early and he was a nonfactor. I trust that S. Moss has some pride and he will have a big day against the Rams. ( 5 rec. 110yds 1td).

[Lotus]

I think those were excellent comments. I liked the inherent offensive swag. Neither Portis nor Cooley were whining and moaning. They simply were reflecting the famous comment by John McKay - they're all for the execution of the offense as it is.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.

That is my take...basically if everyone collectively executed their assignments perfectly on every play they would blow everyone out...

By the way, every team in the National Football League could say the same thing.