Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...

That's simply not true. Kelly was open a number of times but Campbell either overthrew him, didn't see him, or was locked on to Cooley or ARE. Now, ARE got us quite a few yards, so i'm not criticizing that, but Kelly was doing his job and getting open. Maybe not on every play, but no one gets open on every play. Kelly did his job. ARE did his job. Cooley did his job. Our offensive line did their job. I can't definitively say that about any other offensive player.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That's simply not true. Kelly was open a number of times but Campbell either overthrew him, didn't see him, or was locked on to Cooley or ARE. Now, ARE got us quite a few yards, so i'm not criticizing that, but Kelly was doing his job and getting open. Maybe not on every play, but no one gets open on every play. Kelly did his job. ARE did his job. Cooley did his job. Our offensive line did their job. I can't definitively say that about any other offensive player.

I just got through the tape and can safely tell you that you've jumped to a lot of unfounded conclusions based around a single unfounded premise (i.e. Campbell had a terrible game, and subsequent ad homenim attacks).

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just got through the tape.

Hey GTripp can you tell us what you saw from Kelly? I'm still confused why they didn't look for him very much? Was it simply because the middle of the field options were working so well?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey GTripp can you tell us what you saw from Kelly? I'm still confused why they didn't look for him very much? Was it simply because the middle of the field options were working so well?

Best as I can tell, Kelly was just not a huge part of the gameplan.

He played more than Thomas, but he was not in on the scoring drive at the end of the 4th quarter, and the halftime adjustment Zorn made basically put the passing game between the numbers. Consider that most of our offensive plays came after half, and well, that's the reason.

Kelly ran a LOT of drag routes in this game, got open once, and made a nice third down catch.

Hopefully, he'll be a bigger part of the gameplan next week.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kelly ran a LOT of drag routes in this game, got open once, and made a nice third down catch.

Hopefully, he'll be a bigger part of the gameplan next week.

This is what I don't get? Why are we running Kelly towards the center of the field in the first place in a game unfolding like this? Randel El and Cooley were doing great in the middle.

Kelly is perfectly suited for the eight yard hook. Throw him a comeback. He showed that skillset in the preseason. Spread the field wide.
The safety coverage was obviously shifted towards Moss so there is a clear stress point to exploit intermediate wide patterns for the #2 WR yet we didn't try it one time.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

This is what I don't get? Why are we running Kelly towards the center of the field in the first place in a game unfolding like this? Randel El and Cooley were doing great in the middle.

Kelly is perfectly suited for the eight yard hook. Throw him a comeback. He showed that skillset in the preseason. Spread the field wide.
The safety coverage was obviously shifted towards Moss so there is a clear stress point to exploit intermediate wide patterns for the #2 WR yet we didn't try it one time.

Plus why didn't the team set up and use quick slant routes for Moss. It's just another way to get him the ball and a few yrds.

My other issue the team should have been coaching up someone to fill Moss's shoes if needed. Whether it's injury or he's being taken out of the game by double teams. Had Kelly or Mitchell been coached up in Moss's routes and put the bigger more solid physical WR might have helped against the double teams.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just got through the tape and can safely tell you that you've jumped to a lot of unfounded conclusions based around a single unfounded premise (i.e. Campbell had a terrible game, and subsequent ad homenim attacks).

Good point. Dont make analysis on a game when you only saw it once and are extremely upset. You have to go back and watch the game again. Tivo and DVR will change your mind on a few things when you look at the game again. Somethign I noticed was that on that play when Campbell fumbled. He should have step up and was trying to when the ball got stripped. But I also saw Samuels getting used by a simple shoulder shake move. It was like DE literally shook him off. lol. Campbell needs to step up quicker tho.

But back to what I was saying earlier. Tivo and DVR are your friend when it comes to analyzing a game after watching it the first time

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That's simply not true. Kelly was open a number of times but Campbell either overthrew him, didn't see him, or was locked on to Cooley or ARE. Now, ARE got us quite a few yards, so i'm not criticizing that, but Kelly was doing his job and getting open. Maybe not on every play, but no one gets open on every play. Kelly did his job. ARE did his job. Cooley did his job. Our offensive line did their job. I can't definitively say that about any other offensive player.

Just about every time I saw Kelly he was blanketed.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Just about every time I saw Kelly he was blanketed.

That's what I am worried about. If the #2 is getting blanketed in a very favorable matchup that is just unacceptable.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Just about every time I saw Kelly he was blanketed.

No that was Santana Moss who was blanketed by Jason Webster. I think it was a burgandy blanket.