Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)

[CrazyCanuck]

It's official in case it hasn't been posted yet:

RG Thomas out for season with torn right triceps - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

FYI Thomas will be a $6.1M deadcap in 2010 if/when he retires...

[mredskins]

I like Shanahan here with complete control. Basically this current team is just an extention of Gibbs 2. The Gibbs 2 project needs to end. Probably the worst thing that could happen to the Skins this year is to go 8-8 with no playoffs. It will give us a crappy pick and possibly make us hold on to Zorn a little longer.

When in the history of the NFL has there been so many good coachs avaiable as there will be in 2010? We would be dumb to not make a coaching change.

[Beemnseven]

For Zorn to relinquish playcalling control would be sending a message to Snyder that he can't do what he was originally hired to do. I don't see Zorn giving up like that.

[MTK]

Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

Gibbs was humble, admitted his mistakes, and wanted to do whatever it took to win. Zorn is not humble, blames the players for not executing on his bonehead playcalls, and realizes this is the only chance he'll ever have to call plays, so he's not gonna give it up.

In my opinion, Snyder should call Holmgren and see if he wants the HC job. He's familair with the offense and the terminology and could step right in and call plays. If Holmgren was agreeable, i'd offer to let Zorn stay on as a Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, but we need someone else, with experience in this system, calling plays. If Holmgren isnt intersted, then sticking with Zorn is the best option, because we dont have anything better in-house.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

In my opinion, Snyder should call Holmgren and see if he wants the HC job. He's familair with the offense and the terminology and could step right in and call plays. If Holmgren was agreeable, i'd offer to let Zorn stay on as a Offensive Coordinator/QB coach, but we need someone else, with experience in this system, calling plays. If Holmgren isnt intersted, then sticking with Zorn is the best option, because we dont have anything better in-house.

Do you think Holmgren would interested in coming to a team that fired his former Disciple? You might as well scratch him from the list.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Do you think Holmgren would interested in coming to a team that fired his former Disciple? You might as well scratch him from the list.

Do you think Holmgren has a high opinion of Zorn? I don't. Theres a reason he was only a QB coach in Seattle. Zorn simply isnt HC material.

At this point, each passing game (going in to last season) only confirms the theory that Zorn is simply in over his head. Unfortunately, its not matter of IF Zorn will lose the HC job, its a matter of WHEN. The majority of our offensive players - most of whom we are financially committed to for years to come - are simply getting too old to go through another rebuilding year in 2010. Whether Campbell is franchise QB material or not, i think he, and our entire offense absolutely NEED some system continuity if they are to have any chance of success in their careers. Unless we want to rebuild for 3-4 years, and waste the talent that has been assembled on both sides of the ball, we need to replace Zorn with a proven, successful, and experienced HC who will run a near-identical system and we must do it sooner rather than later.

IMO, the transition to Holgren would be near-seamless and the benefits (game-planning, game management, playcalling, etc.) would be instantaneous.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

Simple -- one guy's name is Joe Gibbs, and the other guy is Jim Zorn.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?

Excellent point. Not only that but Saunders, or Saunders/Gibbs, or Gibbs/Saunders...wait now I'm lost ...put the game in Jason's hands as well, letting him call the plays and run a hurry up offense and the whole enchilada. I think JC has proven he is a student of the game and capable of running the offense.

...I really wish before we make any coaching changes, other than canning Hixon and bringing in a legit WR coach, Jason gets the opportunity to show what Zorn has taught him. Jason looks better than I can remember. I think he's close to a huge breakthrough as long as the line gives him time. And I give Zorn his due credit for Jason's development...I just think when it comes to putting the pieces together on gameday Zorn over-thinks everything, or maybe become too focused on just a few things. Put the ball in Jason's hands and let him shred the defense.

[SBXVII]

Oh, and I failed to mention how JC seems to blast the ball to his WR's within 15 yrds of him. Over throws the long ball. and changes into the wrong play.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Oh, and I failed to mention how JC seems to blast the ball to his WR's within 15 yrds of him. Over throws the long ball. and changes into the wrong play.

Such a hater.....who cares how hard the ball is thrown, if it hits your hands your gonna cry, right?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by roth74va

Such a hater.....who cares how hard the ball is thrown, if it hits your hands your gonna cry, right?

Yeah, Ok, Tell that to Sellers who had the ball blasted at him with in 10 yrds and watched the ball go through his hands. Might have been a TD, maybe not. ...but lets not put blame where blame is due and coddle the QB. Better yet lets enable him and tell him he's doing well and keep doing it, then blame Sellers for not making the catch.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah, Ok, Tell that to Sellers who had the ball blasted at him with in 10 yrds and watched the ball go through his hands. Might have been a TD, maybe not. ...but lets not put blame where blame is due and coddle the QB. Better yet lets enable him and tell him he's doing well and keep doing it, then blame Sellers for not making the catch.

Tell that to Sellers, I'm sure he would tell you otherwise.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah, Ok, Tell that to Sellers who had the ball blasted at him with in 10 yrds and watched the ball go through his hands. Might have been a TD, maybe not. ...but lets not put blame where blame is due and coddle the QB. Better yet lets enable him and tell him he's doing well and keep doing it, then blame Sellers for not making the catch.

Are you kidding? You can't ask for a better throw than the one Campbell dropped right in Sellerss hands over the defender

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you kidding? You can't ask for a better throw than the one Campbell dropped right in Sellerss hands over the defender

Perfect pass and it definitely didn't have too much mustard on it.

Sellers flat out dropped it.

I can't believe this is even a discussion.