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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Not fair. You need to give us some kind of a hint?

Well, I want to see how the game progresses before I decide how relevant his performance is to the larger picture. In the first half, Zorn has been mixing his personnel so that everyone plays (I haven't seen Marko in the game yet, but I know he got some PT in the second half).

To this point in the game (8:00, 2nd qtr), the Redskins have only had one unsuccessful drive, and both passes on that drive were Campbell throwing to Kelly. So I need to see more of what is failing the offense before I pass judgement.

[JoeRedskin]

Read Tripp's past posts (say you focus on a his comments about the 2008 draft) - I imagine that would be a big hint for you.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Read Tripp's past posts (say you focus on a his comments about the 2008 draft) - I imagine that would be a big hint for you.

I know he supports Kelly just like I do, but I was nervous something might have showed up on tape.

DT is a lost cause as far as I am concerned. If it's him I could really care less.

[GTripp0012]

Anyway, here's a hint. On consecutive plays, the Redskins threw quick passes designed to go to their young receivers. Standard "50 game" passes, a WCO staple. On the first play, the receiver badly rounded off his route, and Campbell gave up on him about 3 seconds into the play, came over the middle and hit Sellers for 12 yards and a first down. On the very next play, the Redskins changed their receiver personnel and ran an incredibly similar passing play and this time Campbell stayed with his No. 1 target drilling him in tight coverage.

Against a competent defense, Sellers is probably covered and the ball would have to be thrown away. Because it was the Rams, Campbell created something out of nothing.

I'm more concerned with grading Zorn's reaction to this development than anything else, but again, I haven't reached that point in the game tape.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyway, here's a hint. On consecutive plays, the Redskins threw quick passes designed to go to their young receivers. Standard "50 game" passes, a WCO staple. On the first play, the receiver badly rounded off his route, and Campbell gave up on him about 3 seconds into the play, came over the middle and hit Sellers for 12 yards and a first down. On the very next play, the Redskins changed their receiver personnel and ran an incredibly similar passing play and this time Campbell stayed with his No. 1 target drilling him in tight coverage.

Against a competent defense, Sellers is probably covered and the ball would have to be thrown away. Because it was the Rams, Campbell created something out of nothing.

I'm more concerned with grading Zorn's reaction to this development than anything else, but again, I haven't reached that point in the game tape.

I must say, unless you have access to certain non-tv camera angles that only some people have then that's a big assumption to make about a certain receiver

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I must say, unless you have access to certain non-tv camera angles that only some people have then that's a big assumption to make about a certain receiver

I've always felt GTripp was very friendly with BB's camera crew

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I must say, unless you have access to certain non-tv camera angles that only some people have then that's a big assumption to make about a certain receiver

Well, the assumption I'm making is what the route was, knowing only the release off the LOS and the end point of the route. But it's more about the progression and Campbell than what I do/do not know about what coverage the Rams where in.

Let me ask this back at you: are you suggesting that Campbell was going to pull off of said receiver regardless of whether or not he was open? Because, if so, that would be a much more significant development than what actually occurred.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, the assumption I'm making is what the route was, knowing only the release off the LOS and the end point of the route. But it's more about the progression and Campbell than what I do/do not know about what coverage the Rams where in.

Let me ask this back at you: are you suggesting that Campbell was going to pull off of said receiver regardless of whether or not he was open? Because, if so, that would be a much more significant development than what actually occurred.

Honestly not sure we can say either way

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Honestly not sure we can say either way

Well, then we're left with a either this or that situation. The only thing we know for sure is that it's just not working.

I'll be careful not to jump to a conclusion in the write up.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyway, here's a hint. On consecutive plays, the Redskins threw quick passes designed to go to their young receivers. Standard "50 game" passes, a WCO staple. On the first play, the receiver badly rounded off his route, and Campbell gave up on him about 3 seconds into the play, came over the middle and hit Sellers for 12 yards and a first down. On the very next play, the Redskins changed their receiver personnel and ran an incredibly similar passing play and this time Campbell stayed with his No. 1 target drilling him in tight coverage.

It appeared to me that the two plays in question were 3 step drops. On the first play it looks like DT was running a 5yd Dig. Looked like he squared it off nicely. JC made the read at the end of his drop (under 2 sec) and went to Sellers. I think why he checked off was he may have pre-read Man and the Rams dropped to Zone. I think he could've hit DT, but he may have been concerned about the S making a break on the ball.

On the second play Kelly comes under a clearout route by by ARE, Rams look like a Cover 3 Zone here and Kelly is wide open (throw was behind tho).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It appeared to me that the two plays in question were 3 step drops. On the first play it looks like DT was running a 5yd Dig. Looked like he squared it off nicely. JC made the read at the end of his drop (under 2 sec) and went to Sellers. I think why he checked off was he may have pre-read Man and the Rams dropped to Zone. I think he could've hit DT, but he may have been concerned about the S making a break on the ball.

On the second play Kelly comes under a clearout route by by ARE, Rams look like a Cover 3 Zone here and Kelly is wide open (throw was behind tho).

Yeah. It looked like the throw to Kelly was made into tighter space than the throw to Thomas would have been. I also think DT rounded the route off, or did something else that Campbell wasn't expecting and gave up on him.

But as SS and I were suggesting earlier, the pre-snap read might not have been the whole story there.

Good points.

[GMScud]

Man, the Phins sure can run the ball. They're killing it with the wildcat.

[budw38]

how bout them cowboys , ha ha ha ha ha , thank you romo . Jessica says you always choke at night !!!!

[wilsowilso]

Shoulder injury could cause Sims to miss 'fairly significant' time

One of the Lions better players LB Ernie Sims is out with a shoulder injury.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Shoulder injury could cause Sims to miss 'fairly significant' time

One of the Lions better players LB Ernie Sims is out with a shoulder injury.

That's pretty big. Outside of Sims, Calvin Johnson, and the undeveloped Stafford, talent is pretty thin in Detroit. Their D needs Sims.