About that BOOOING at FED Ex Field

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure I see how ticket prices tie into booing a bad performance. Besides, if you don't like the prices don't go, simple as that.

I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.

I agree with you. I've got my Cowgirls tickets for Fedex and if they blow that . . . .

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont think it is as simple as that. When you pay a price, you are not paying to see a terrible display. Especially with expectations. The expectation is what drives us fans to consume the product.

As a consumer we all have the right to be disappointed with the outcome of the product. This is why Jax doesnt sellout; because their product is not worth the price. The Skins tix prices do not match the product at this point. I am sure many of the fans that booed will think twice before dishing 200 bucks for a game.

In addition to those of us that absolutely love the Redskins and football. And have for over 20 years. So making me pay the prices that are outrageous to see a true passion of mien for the last 20 to 25 years, and then putting that crap on the field, yeah, I think there is a money argument too. Again, you can take back a product you are satisfied with, but you cant take back a ticket. Season ticket holders in long term deals get even screwed more because they have to pay despite the front office incompetence. You get what you pay for, but not in DC. FANS are PAYING to keep the franchise in DC and competitive, paying premium prices over many,. many other markets, shoudln't we expcect wise investments?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

In addition to those of us that absolutely love the Redskins and football. And have for over 20 years. So making me pay the prices that are outrageous to see a true passion of mien for the last 20 to 25 years, and then putting that crap on the field, yeah, I think there is a money argument too. Again, you can take back a product you are satisfied with, but you cant take back a ticket. Season ticket holders in long term deals get even screwed more because they have to pay despite the front office incompetence. You get what you pay for, but not in DC. FANS are PAYING to keep the franchise in DC and competitive, paying premium prices over many,. many other markets, shoudln't we expcect wise investments?

Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by roth74va

It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.

First...we're not baseball, everyone has a salary cap last time I checked.

Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.

Third, fans had the right to boo, they pay for a ticket, they expect a better showing.

[MCWHITEY]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

First...we're not baseball, everyone has a salary cap last time I checked.

Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.

Third, fans had the right to boo, they pay for a ticket, they expect a better showing.

What is the address of the cave you live in or the rock you just crawled out from under??

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MCWHITEY

What is the address of the cave you live in or the rock you just crawled out from under??

What, you want me to be like you and post nothing but mindless negative rants about the team?

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Second, we are not a pile of crap and no one is laughing at us.

Dude...your wrong! We have alot of talent, but we are not playing up to our potential.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by roth74va

It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.

I don't disagree that people can boo. In fact boo I did yesterday. My point is that how much you pay for a ticket is irrelevant. People who pay for the $29 obstructed view tickets have no less right to boo than those who for the $99 tickets. Or for fans at home. Fans can boo. Whether you pay for tickets or not means nothing. We're not paying to be fans, we're paying to be at the game in person.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by roth74va

It is not irrelevant, people may as well have paid to watch a high school game. The product clearly doesnt match the price of admission, if your not satisfied, its your right to boo if thats your wish!!! I didnt boo, but the ride home was spent wondering how we are so pathetic while having one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Sad to see my once mighty Skins, reduced to a pile of crap that the rest of the league is laughing at.

Personally I think the price of the ticket, once you're in your seat, is irrelevant. I know I don't go to games and say, hmm this is a more expensive seat therefore I must cheer or boo louder. Or I'm happier or more dissatisfied with the product now based on how much I paid. No, once you're in your seat the Redskins and the game itself become the focus and object of your passion and energy. The degree of that passion will vary from fan to fan, but I dare say that how much you paid for your ticket or whether it was free has little to do with your enjoyment and raw excitement while Clinton Portis is sprinting 64 yards downfield for a touchdown.

I only bring this up because it seems some are making a very legitimate argument here about booing, proper decorum at the game, and how much one has paid to see the game. I think these are very legit arguments, but I also think those are in the realm of reason and intellect. Fans don't usually operate in that realm four quarters of football. It's raw emotion and it's usually to the extreme which usually matches the pace and intensity of the game. And that's why I think booing, while not acceptable to some, is a part of the game. It's not until afterwards that we may realize that, hey, I pay a lot to see this damn team and I expect better. I just don't think it's a chief concern while they are actually enjoying or not enjoyng the game. At least it's not for me.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Personally I think the price of the ticket, once you are in your seat, is irrelevant. I know I don't go to games and say, hmm this is a more expensive seat therefore I must cheer or boo louder. Or I'm happier or more dissatisfied with the product now based on how much I paid. No, once you're in your seat the Redskins and the game itself become the focus and object of your passion and energy. The degree of that passion will vary from fan to fan, but I dare say that how much you paid for your ticket or whether it was free has little to do with your enjoyment and raw excitement while Clinton Portis is sprinting 64 yards downfield for a touchdown.

I only bring this up because it seems some are making a very legitimate argument here about booing, proper decorum at the game, and how much one has paid to see the game. I think these are very legit arguments, but I also think those are in the realm of reason and intellect. Fans don't usually operate in that realm four quarters of football. It's raw emotion and it's usually to the extreme which usually matches the pace and intensity of the game. And that's why I think booing, while not acceptable to some, is a part of the game. It's not until afterwards that we may realize that, hey, I pay a lot to see this damn team and I expect better. I just don't think it's a chief concern while they are actually enjoying or not enjoyng the game. At least it's not for me.

Great points....and I agree somewhat. I just feel like I could have paid the $4 at the local high school and watched a better football game. Ill be the first one to say....Id have gladly paid twice as much to watch them put a 31-13 beatdown on a JV Rams team. The playcalling was horrible, and for some of the players(Moss) the effort was pathetic. Listening to him on postgame talking about "well we still moved the ball, and got points", maybe thats acceptable to him, but it isnt for me. I wanna see a PROFESSIONAL performance when I go and pay that kind of money to watch a football game.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by roth74va

Great points....and I agree somewhat. I just feel like I could have paid the $4 at the local high school and watched a better football game. Ill be the first one to say....Id have gladly paid twice as much to watch them put a 31-13 beatdown on a JV Rams team. The playcalling was horrible, and for some of the players(Moss) the effort was pathetic. Listening to him on postgame talking about "well we still moved the ball, and got points", maybe thats acceptable to him, but it isnt for me. I wanna see a PROFESSIONAL performance when I go and pay that kind of money to watch a football game.

Hey, no argument there. At think at some point the price and expectation certainly meet up and you just flat out want your money's worth.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Sorry, but wrong. No one is "making" you buy the tickets. You choose to. Buying the ticket, at whatever price, grants you the opportunity to boo or cheer as you see fit. Whether the tickets are too expensive or not is irrelevant.

True. No one does make me. But if it is something I'm passionate about and am use to seeing, then i would pay the price. But did i get my money's worth. Now, the people stuck in 10 year contracts, that is different. They are made to stay in their contract despite a crappy product.

Putting the word 'making' in there was a wrong choice of words. I guess it can be described more as being a passionate fan for 25 to 30 years, you wanna go see the team. Dan Snyder wants to rip you for that privilege, but then puts this mediocrity product out there. In other words, because of his high prices and his crappy product I was robbed of a product i enjoyed for 25 years.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

True. No one does make me. But if it is something I'm passionate about and am use to seeing, then i would pay the price. But did i get my money's worth. Now, the people stuck in 10 year contracts, that is different. They are made to stay in their contract despite a crappy product.

Putting the word 'making' in there was a wrong choice of words. I guess it can be described more as being a passionate fan for 25 to 30 years, you wanna go see the team. Dan Snyder wants to rip you for that privilege, but then puts this mediocrity product out there. In other words, because of his high prices and his crappy product I was robbed of a product i enjoyed for 25 years.

A) The argument that Snyder puts a crap product out there is hollow. He isn't trying to put a crap product out there. You can vilify him for doing a poor job of it but he definitely does try to make a winner. That has to be worth something

B) You buy tickets in a package. 10 a year...you know what they cost and here's the kicker...you assume a risk when you buy them. You are risking that they are going to suck. You can't buy them and argue that you didn't get your "money's worth." Your "money's worth" includes that assumption of risk. Now you'll get to decide if you want them next year. Maybe you'll decide that it just isn't worth the risk anymore. But, for now, you are getting exactly what you paid for. 10 tickets to see football games live in person. No guarantee that they'll be any good.

Look I was there and I booed. I booed because they sucked and I am a huge fan and wanted them to know that what they were doing wasn't acceptable to me as a fan. That I had bought a ticket never crossed my mind since it had nothing to do with the dissatisfaction. I wasn't anymore dissatisfied because I was there than had I not been. The Redskins don't "owe" me or you anymore when we go to a game than when we watch it on TV. You're a fan...they owe you a certain amount effort and success regardless of whether you're there. How much? Now that is pretty debatable.