Zorn On The Hot Seat

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Fair point, but the falcons and colts are both very good teams. That said, the skins lost to a very good team and beat a very bad one as well. If you agree that no FO upgrades are needed, then we should expect to win now. they've had time to acquire the players/pieces, now its time to see it work. To me, I think we've been patient, and i think its reasonable for fans to open their eyes to the fact that its been a long long long time since we've been a legitimate Superbowl contender, yet each year we all buy into the pomp and circumstance that has scarred the Danny's reign. I believe that the reaction of the fans is simply one of a frustrated consumer- enough is enough. Either you are good, or you aren't, but please stop telling us that the emperor is fully clothed when he's clearly naked.

Well, we weren't so great for 8 years before Snyder showed up. But what I was "sighing" about was more about the ever so popular "team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters". A pretty common statement that is based on basically nothing but speculation.

Dolphins' owners are new this year by the way

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, we weren't so great for 8 years before Snyder showed up. But what I was "sighing" about was more about the ever so popular "team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters". A pretty common statement that is based on basically nothing but speculation.

Dolphins' owners are new this year by the way

And Arthur Blank is not what one would call 'hands off'. Anyone else remember him wheeling Mike Vick out onto the field a few years back in Atlanta? Blank spends just slightly less time on the sidelines during the game than Jerry Jones.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And Arthur Blank is not what one would call 'hands off'. Anyone else remember him wheeling Mike Vick out onto the field a few years back in Atlanta? Blank spends just slightly less time on the sidelines during the game than Jerry Jones.

Oh please. Falcon's President Rich McKay's hiring of Tom Dimitroff as GM, and Dimitroff's brilliant 2008 offseason are the biggest reasons that the Falcons will post consecutive winning seasons for the first time ever. Being a sideline cheerleader doesn't put Blank in Jerry Jones's class as a hands on owner, nor Dan Snyder's for that matter.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Oh please. Falcon's President Rich McKay's hiring of Tom Dimitroff as GM, and Dimitroff's brilliant 2008 offseason are the biggest reasons that the Falcons will post consecutive winning seasons for the first time ever. Being a sideline cheerleader doesn't put Blank in Jerry Jones's class as a hands on owner, nor Dan Snyder's for that matter.

I didn't call him a Jones/Snyder clone, but he's not exactly 'hands off'.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Oh please. Falcon's President Rich McKay's hiring of Tom Dimitroff as GM, and Dimitroff's brilliant 2008 offseason are the biggest reasons that the Falcons will post consecutive winning seasons for the first time ever. Being a sideline cheerleader doesn't put Blank in Jerry Jones's class as a hands on owner, nor Dan Snyder's for that matter.

How do you know how involved Blank or Snyder are?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you know how involved Blank or Snyder are?

I don't know exact specifics of either's involvement, but I think it's pretty obvious that The Danny is hands-on as far as personnel goes. Blank on the other hand put football decisions in the hands of an actual GM, and got positive results right away. Again, I have no proof, but I'd be willing to bet Blank's involvement pales in comparison to Snyder's.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know exact specifics of either's involvement, but I think it's pretty obvious that The Danny is hands-on as far as personnel goes. Blank on the other hand put football decisions in the hands of an actual GM, and got positive results right away. Again, I have no proof, but I'd be willing to bet Blank's involvement pales in comparison to Snyder's.

Trust me, it doesn't. I will say that Blank has done a great job of putting together a solid organization after Petrino, Vick, and Parcells blew up in his face. But he still attends draft workouts, has dinner with potential free agents and draft picks (with Dimitroff and Smith), just like Snyder (and other owners do). But he is involved, yet not intrusive. Just like Snyder, and many other owners.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Trust me, it doesn't. I will say that Blank has done a great job of putting together a solid organization after Petrino, Vick, and Parcells blew up in his face. But he still attends draft workouts, has dinner with potential free agents and draft picks (with Dimitroff and Smith), just like Snyder (and other owners do). But he is involved, yet not intrusive. Just like Snyder, and many other owners.

Well, I think it's debateable that Snyder isn't intrusive. But I didn't know those points you just made about Blank's involvement. I guess the history of Snyderatto leaves the door wide open for so much skepticism. It's just a hunch, but my gut tells me when it's actually time to pull the trigger on a player, Blank backs off and Snyder... well not so much many cases. Again, purely speculation on my part.