The Redskins Are Close

[htownskinfan]

when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

what did i say in my post?here it is:

Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.

but Im not holding my breath on that sb

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

I agree that Campbell can be Trent Dilfer. I have doubts that our D can be the Ravens of 2001, which is considered one of the best Defenses of all time. Dilfer went on to become a back-up the rest of his career, as did Brad Johnson. Campbell is in danger of being a back-up on someone else's roster next year. Happens all the time.

[#56fanatic]

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

If what you are saying is true, then maybe its something to get excited about. I think alot of the cures for this team is just to simply score more. Thats what the fans want to see. Give em something to cheer about. But until they prove that they can, until they put up more than 20 points in a game, until alot of things happen, I am ready to just sit here and be slightly pessimistic and expect the worse.

The fans want to see points, plain and simple.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

I think you're right.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

Is he Campbell or Zorn?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Is he Campbell or Zorn?

I was referring to Campbell, but you could probably go both on that one when you think about it. Zorn, if he ever gets some trust in his young players, may call some shots for Kelly if he knows Kelly will go up and fight for the ball, same with Thomas.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

Though that sounds great I think this is a unrealistic fantasy. I just don't see how a team gets 100% better on their worst aspect.

What you're talking about would take a Hollywood montage to accomplish. I can see them connecting a little more and then perhaps becoming 10-20% more efficient but as for becoming one of the league's best...that is laughable.

Also Campbell's deep accuracy is terrible so that makes this hopeful outcome even more bleak.

[GridIron26]

Well, it IS possible for JC to improve lot in throwing deep balls area.. It is supposed to be one of his assets, he has big arm.. But becoming one of the best in the league when JC tweaks out with Thomas and Kelly; I don't see it happening this year.. However, if JC stays here next year then yes, I can see it happening next year..

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Well, it IS possible for JC to improve lot in throwing deep balls area.. It is supposed to be one of his assets, he has big arm.. But becoming one of the best in the league when JC tweaks out with Thomas and Kelly; I don't see it happening this year.. However, if JC stays here next year then yes, I can see it happening next year..

That's the worst thing too. Campbell can get it there, he has no problem with that but he has no refined accuracy to where it needs to go.

We've seen already in the preseason (inaccurate deep pass to Kelly) and in the opening Rams snap (underthrown pass to Kelly) that Campbell has deep accuracy issues.

That really limits us but his knack for short to mid range completions and his scramble capabilities makes him our best QB.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Though that sounds great I think this is a unrealistic fantasy. I just don't see how a team gets 100% better on their worst aspect.

What you're talking about would take a Hollywood montage to accomplish. I can see them connecting a little more and then perhaps becoming 10-20% more efficient but as for becoming one of the league's best...that is laughable.

Also Campbell's deep accuracy is terrible so that makes this hopeful outcome even more bleak.

How many deep passes do we complete now? Getting 100% better is really not that hard. You don't have to complete a ton of deep passes to make your offense more effective.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

How many deep passes do we complete now? Getting 100% better is really not that hard. You don't have to complete a ton of deep passes to make your offense more effective.

Yeah, but us getting 100% better on offense wouldn't make us the top offenses in the league.

Check out the next time Campbell throws deep to Moss and obviously doesn't get it there. Look at Moss's reaction. He's so dejected because he knows he's open on a lot of those downfield plays. He knows he won't get many deep passes thrown to him during a game so he gets so frustrated.


He's dropped his fair share of opportunities but I still kinda of feel bad for him.