Now What??

[SmootSmack]

Bring Marty Back as President

The myth is that Snyder was upset that Marty wouldn't let him get involved in player personnel decisions. The reality is that Snyder thought being coach and general manager was too much for Marty to handle and wanted him to just focus one area. Back then Marty didn't want that, but now he has said he's only interested in a front office position. Plus, the Hall of Famers that had issues with Schott before are gone now. Snyder and Marty get along pretty well now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they reunited. I'd move Cerrato out of football operations immediately and bring in Marty as "consultant" now (thought about Carl Peterson because he's available) and then official name him President (aka "Bill Parcells") as soon as the season is done.

I don't think VC is the satanic buffoon many think he is, or that Snyder is "micro-managing." In fact, things won't be much different in terms of Snyder's involvement whoever is the new person in charge. But perception is reality, and if the fans perceive that Snyder isn't involved because Cerrato isn't there, then they'll believe that's true

Hire Reggie McKenzie or Bill Kuharich as General Manager

Reggie (Raleigh's twin) has done a good job in Green Bay and Bill Kuharich did a nice job with the previous few drafts in KC before he was let go when Pioli came on board. There are other good candidates but I'd look to these two guys first. I'd let Scott Campbell and Mo Brown go as well, again because of the connection to Cerrato and the whole perception is reality thing. I think both are strong talent evaluators but they will have to find their success elsewhere.

Hire Russ Grimm as Head Coach

Zorn is a lame duck, to be sure. But I wouldn't just jump at someone like Shanahan right away. Just finish the season with Zorn, and then do what some team should have done long ago (but has been afraid to for various reasons), name Russ Grimm as head coach. Good public relations move, and he's a strong head coach candidate. When you look around the NFL you see so many players/front office people from the Redskins glory decade of the 80s-Mayhew: GM Lions, Doug Williams: Front Office Exec Tampa, Mark Murphy: President Packers; Billy Devaney: GM Rams and so on-that it's a shame our only connection is Joe Bugel (and I guess Don Warren)

Name Bob Bratkowski Assistant Head Coach

The coaching problem isn't isolated to just Zorn, it's that his support staff (Smith, Stump, Meidt, Watchamacallit) is woefully inexperienced as well. Grimm has experience that even Zorn didn't have but he could benefit from having an experienced play caller to support him. Look at other first time coaches-Harbaugh (has Cam Cameron); Sparano (has Dan Henning); Mike Smith (Mularkey)-all have proven coordinators

Name Kirk Olivadotti Defensive Coordinator

Why not?

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Name Kirk Olivadotti Defensive Coordinator

Why not?

Because like you just said....he lacks the necessary experience. Why would we want another guy learning as he goes? F that!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by roth74va

Because like you just said....he lacks the necessary experience. Why would we want another guy learning as he goes? F that!

I know, it was time to eat dinner so I had to just finish my post right away

I would give him more responsibility though

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bring Marty Back as President

The myth is that Snyder was upset that Marty wouldn't let him get involved in player personnel decisions. The reality is that Snyder thought being coach and general manager was too much for Marty to handle and wanted him to just focus one area. Back then Marty didn't want that, but now he has said he's only interested in a front office position. Plus, the Hall of Famers that had issues with Schott before are gone now. Snyder and Marty get along pretty well now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they reunited. I'd move Cerrato out of football operations immediately and bring in Marty as "consultant" now (thought about Carl Peterson because he's available) and then official name him President (aka "Bill Parcells") as soon as the season is done.

I don't think VC is the satanic buffoon many think he is, or that Snyder is "micro-managing." In fact, things won't be much different in terms of Snyder's involvement whoever is the new person in charge. But perception is reality, and if the fans perceive that Snyder isn't involved because Cerrato isn't there, then they'll believe that's true

Hire Reggie McKenzie or Bill Kuharich as General Manager

Reggie (Raleigh's twin) has done a good job in Green Bay and Bill Kuharich did a nice job with the previous few drafts in KC before he was let go when Pioli came on board. There are other good candidates but I'd look to these two guys first. I'd let Scott Campbell and Mo Brown go as well, again because of the connection to Cerrato and the whole perception is reality thing. I think both are strong talent evaluators but they will have to find their success elsewhere.

Hire Russ Grimm as Head Coach

Zorn is a lame duck, to be sure. But I wouldn't just jump at someone like Shanahan right away. Just finish the season with Zorn, and then do what some team should have done long ago (but has been afraid to for various reasons), name Russ Grimm as head coach. Good public relations move, and he's a strong head coach candidate. When you look around the NFL you see so many players/front office people from the Redskins glory decade of the 80s-Mayhew: GM Lions, Doug Williams: Front Office Exec Tampa, Mark Murphy: President Packers; Billy Devaney: GM Rams and so on-that it's a shame our only connection is Joe Bugel (and I guess Don Warren)

[B}Name Bob Bratkowski Assistant Head Coach[/B]

The coaching problem isn't isolated to just Zorn, it's that his support staff (Smith, Stump, Meidt, Watchamacallit) is woefully inexperienced as well. Grimm has experience that even Zorn didn't have but he could benefit from having an experienced play caller to support him. Look at other first time coaches-Harbaugh (has Cam Cameron); Sparano (has Dan Henning); Mike Smith (Mularkey)-all have proven coordinators

Name Kirk Olivadotti Defensive Coordinator

Why not?

I like the idea of Grimm as HC and have for a while. Or Cowher. I don't like Shanny. The NFC East requires someone who knows how to play smash mouth football, and I don't think Shanahan fits that bill. Besides, he only won with one of the greatest QB/RB tandems in NFL history. Don't see that kind of talent walking through the door hear anytime soon.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bring Marty Back as President

The myth is that Snyder was upset that Marty wouldn't let him get involved in player personnel decisions. The reality is that Snyder thought being coach and general manager was too much for Marty to handle and wanted him to just focus one area. Back then Marty didn't want that, but now he has said he's only interested in a front office position. Plus, the Hall of Famers that had issues with Schott before are gone now. Snyder and Marty get along pretty well now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they reunited. I'd move Cerrato out of football operations immediately and bring in Marty as "consultant" now (thought about Carl Peterson because he's available) and then official name him President (aka "Bill Parcells") as soon as the season is done.

I don't think VC is the satanic buffoon many think he is, or that Snyder is "micro-managing." In fact, things won't be much different in terms of Snyder's involvement whoever is the new person in charge. But perception is reality, and if the fans perceive that Snyder isn't involved because Cerrato isn't there, then they'll believe that's true

Hire Reggie McKenzie or Bill Kuharich as General Manager

Reggie (Raleigh's twin) has done a good job in Green Bay and Bill Kuharich did a nice job with the previous few drafts in KC before he was let go when Pioli came on board. There are other good candidates but I'd look to these two guys first. I'd let Scott Campbell and Mo Brown go as well, again because of the connection to Cerrato and the whole perception is reality thing. I think both are strong talent evaluators but they will have to find their success elsewhere.

Hire Russ Grimm as Head Coach

Zorn is a lame duck, to be sure. But I wouldn't just jump at someone like Shanahan right away. Just finish the season with Zorn, and then do what some team should have done long ago (but has been afraid to for various reasons), name Russ Grimm as head coach. Good public relations move, and he's a strong head coach candidate. When you look around the NFL you see so many players/front office people from the Redskins glory decade of the 80s-Mayhew: GM Lions, Doug Williams: Front Office Exec Tampa, Mark Murphy: President Packers; Billy Devaney: GM Rams and so on-that it's a shame our only connection is Joe Bugel (and I guess Don Warren)

[B}Name Bob Bratkowski Assistant Head Coach[/b]

The coaching problem isn't isolated to just Zorn, it's that his support staff (Smith, Stump, Meidt, Watchamacallit) is woefully inexperienced as well. Grimm has experience that even Zorn didn't have but he could benefit from having an experienced play caller to support him. Look at other first time coaches-Harbaugh (has Cam Cameron); Sparano (has Dan Henning); Mike Smith (Mularkey)-all have proven coordinators

Name Kirk Olivadotti Defensive Coordinator

Why not?

Not bad ideas. I just wonder how Marty would do with Zorn and the WCO? I just wonder what DS is going to do. Zorn is a nice guy and apparently been able to talk his way into a HCing job. Now we see the results of this expierment. I hope DS is using this time wisely. Maybe make Marty GM and look into hiring his son as HC? I don't know but DS has several months to speak with people and find another HC for next yr instead of being pushed into a corner and scrambling at the last minute. Maybe make the new HC the highest paid HC again and add some extra bait. I don't know what but get someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bring Marty Back as President

The myth is that Snyder was upset that Marty wouldn't let him get involved in player personnel decisions. The reality is that Snyder thought being coach and general manager was too much for Marty to handle and wanted him to just focus one area. Back then Marty didn't want that, but now he has said he's only interested in a front office position. Plus, the Hall of Famers that had issues with Schott before are gone now. Snyder and Marty get along pretty well now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they reunited. I'd move Cerrato out of football operations immediately and bring in Marty as "consultant" now (thought about Carl Peterson because he's available) and then official name him President (aka "Bill Parcells") as soon as the season is done.

I don't think VC is the satanic buffoon many think he is, or that Snyder is "micro-managing." In fact, things won't be much different in terms of Snyder's involvement whoever is the new person in charge. But perception is reality, and if the fans perceive that Snyder isn't involved because Cerrato isn't there, then they'll believe that's true

Hire Reggie McKenzie or Bill Kuharich as General Manager

Reggie (Raleigh's twin) has done a good job in Green Bay and Bill Kuharich did a nice job with the previous few drafts in KC before he was let go when Pioli came on board. There are other good candidates but I'd look to these two guys first. I'd let Scott Campbell and Mo Brown go as well, again because of the connection to Cerrato and the whole perception is reality thing. I think both are strong talent evaluators but they will have to find their success elsewhere.

Hire Russ Grimm as Head Coach

Zorn is a lame duck, to be sure. But I wouldn't just jump at someone like Shanahan right away. Just finish the season with Zorn, and then do what some team should have done long ago (but has been afraid to for various reasons), name Russ Grimm as head coach. Good public relations move, and he's a strong head coach candidate. When you look around the NFL you see so many players/front office people from the Redskins glory decade of the 80s-Mayhew: GM Lions, Doug Williams: Front Office Exec Tampa, Mark Murphy: President Packers; Billy Devaney: GM Rams and so on-that it's a shame our only connection is Joe Bugel (and I guess Don Warren)

[B}Name Bob Bratkowski Assistant Head Coach[/B]

The coaching problem isn't isolated to just Zorn, it's that his support staff (Smith, Stump, Meidt, Watchamacallit) is woefully inexperienced as well. Grimm has experience that even Zorn didn't have but he could benefit from having an experienced play caller to support him. Look at other first time coaches-Harbaugh (has Cam Cameron); Sparano (has Dan Henning); Mike Smith (Mularkey)-all have proven coordinators

Name Kirk Olivadotti Defensive Coordinator

Why not?

That makes way too much sense to ever happen.

[CRedskinsRule]

I really wonder if there is any way Holmgren would come on as a special advisor.

[724Skinsfan]

I don't know, either that or you've gotta give JC more opportunities to call his own plays from the huddle.

I think firing anybody is too much of a knee jerk reaction. I'm slowly coming around to giving Collins a shot, not so much to see if HE is our answer but more so to determine if JC is definitely not. Collins could go in maybe at halftime of the TB game if JC is not putting points on the board (I say 14, at least) by then. If he somehow looks to be a little more efficient then give him command the following Sunday and see what happens.

One more thing, Zorn/Snyder/Cerrato/whoever needs to talk to Blache and say you're doing something wrong--fix it by the end of the BYE week! If Blache refuses to change whatever it is that is keeping the other teams offense on the field 8 minutes at a time he needs to go.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

JC calling plays= 2 td
Dany smith = 1 td
Jim Zorn = 1 td.

Jason has called the plays on half of the scoring drives this year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

JC calling plays= 2 td
Dany smith = 1 td
Jim Zorn = 1 td.

Jason has called the plays on half of the scoring drives this year.

I have a great idea. Let's make JC the coach and bring in a quality QB who knows how to get his team in the end zone when it's not garbage time. Preferably someone who can throw a fade pass and keep the ball in-bounds and someone who can sense a pass rush before it's up his ass. Ideally, someone who can actually take a few steps in the pocket and still throw with at least a little accuracy.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I have a great idea. Let's make JC the coach and bring in a quality QB who knows how to get his team in the end zone when it's not garbage time. Preferably someone who can throw a fade pass and keep the ball in-bounds and someone who can sense a pass rush before it's up his ass. Ideally, someone who can actually take a few steps in the pocket and still throw with at least a little accuracy.

This was more of an attack on JZ than an endorsement for Jason. I agree with you about JC. I know he has a real problem finding anyone other than the guy hes looking at when he hikes the ball. I know he can't feel the pocket. Hell he has had his fumblitis return again this year, and all of the other short comings Jason has that you listed above. I'm not a huge fan of his anymore, I liked the pick when we drafted him, I really wanted Jason to succeed at this point I just dont think he will here in Washington.

Jim Zorn needs to find himself as a leader of the team. He seems way over his head right now.

[pg86]

Someone told me to work on my confidence boosters earlier...Here's an attempt...


The superbowl champs lost to the Bengals today

[SBXVII]

GTripp, I would like to apologize to you. I was trying to be funny when I said you would come on here and everyone would be happy again with hope. I was not trying to poke fun at you although it sounds like I am. You do good work in your reviews of what the team is doing. I just was thinking that with your positive reviews some people get hope that things will change and this week they didn't. I was just trying to make a joke that we might see this again, and yes it was a piss poor joke so I apologize.

[Patfisher37]

As bad as the offense has looked, what has really shocked the living day lights out of me is the poor job of our Defense. I thought, that with the off season aquisition of #92 and #98, Horton's second year, Landry would have a break out season, our PASS RUSH would've been nasty and dominating, our big play ability would've sky rocketed because of the pressure, all these expectations, all these dreams, we were going to be hard to move the ball on, hence the offense would have so much more touches, opportunities to score and we would be unstoppable. Zorn's second year, more plays able to call due to the increase knowledge, better continuity all around, more cohesiveness, Campbell's ability to make big plays would increase, the emergence of our young wideouts would finally produce T.D.'s, the passing game would've open the run game, all these illusions we fans had...My questions now, is Zorn too soft and has no leadership ability? His play calling has been gutsy, but has it been wise? Does Campbell have the heart and winners attitude to lead us during crunch time? Is Portis running with the renegade attitude that made him an elite back or is he just trying to stay injury free and avoiding contact with his lack of vision because he always dives to the ground when there is traffic. Do we have play makers who can break the big play, or do we have average players... over rated and poorly coached? So many questions, from a desperate fan, that is getting his heart gutted out and shattered to pieces every Sunday...I don't know who much more I can take of this, but I know one thing, I will not quit on them, I will continue to root, cry, cheer, and love my Skins....I just hope my son and I can experience a Super Bowl together, the last time we won was almost 18 Years ago and he was only 20 day's old when we beat the Bills, I feel bad for him, he thinks I am nut's when I tell him we were the classiest organization eons ago, we were the talk of the NFL, we were respected and teams hated to play us, because of our physical style of play on both sides of the ball....O those Glory days, how I miss them, Don't we all? I am praying and hoping we can get this ship turned around....let's not give up, it's just three games into the season, maybe this Lost will be the wake up call they needed to make some changes or ship out those pieces that are rotting out the Ship and have them sinking, there is still a glimmer of hope in the horizon, I can barely see it, but it's there. I don't think we are as bad as we look, I think we are just a few peaces away from turning this baby around, the problem is, which are those peaces?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Patfisher37

As bad as the offense has looked, what has really shocked the living day lights out of me is the poor job of our Defense. I thought, that with the off season aquisition of #92 and #98, Horton's second year, Landry would have a break out season, our PASS RUSH would've been nasty and dominating, our big play ability would've sky rocketed because of the pressure, all these expectations, all these dreams, we were going to be hard to move the ball on, hence the offense would have so much more touches, opportunities to score and we would be unstoppable. Zorn's second year, more plays able to call due to the increase knowledge, better continuity all around, more cohesiveness, Campbell's ability to make big plays would increase, the emergence of our young wideouts would finally produce T.D.'s, the passing game would've open the run game, all these illusions we fans had...My questions now, is Zorn too soft and has no leadership ability? His play calling has been gutsy, but has it been wise? Does Campbell have the heart and winners attitude to lead us during crunch time? Is Portis running with the renegade attitude that made him an elite back or is he just trying to stay injury free and avoiding contact with his lack of vision because he always dives to the ground when there is traffic. Do we have play makers who can break the big play, or do we have average players... over rated and poorly coached? So many questions, from a desperate fan, that is getting his heart gutted out and shattered to pieces every Sunday...I don't know who much more I can take of this, but I know one thing, I will not quit on them, I will continue to root, cry, cheer, and love my Skins....I just hope my son and I can experience a Super Bowl together, the last time we won was almost 18 Years ago and he was only 20 day's old when we beat the Bills, I feel bad for him, he thinks I am nut's when I tell him we were the classiest organization eons ago, we were the talk of the NFL, we were respected and teams hated to play us, because of our physical style of play on both sides of the ball....O those Glory days, how I miss them, Don't we all? I am praying and hoping we can get this ship turned around....let's not give up, it's just three games into the season, maybe this Lost will be the wake up call they needed to make some changes or ship out those pieces that are rotting out the Ship and have them sinking, there is still a glimmer of hope in the horizon, I can barely see it, but it's there. I don't think we are as bad as we look, I think we are just a few peaces away from turning this baby around, the problem is, which are those peaces?

God bless you man...

I would maybe read this if it wasn't your first post ever. Way too long for me to take time out to read this.

Build your post count some before you take on something this volumous.