Now What??

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Let me try this another way.....

How does firing Cerrato now help us out now? What will it do to change our enemic offense? and our lack of a pass rush by our defense? or help out the secondary?

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

Man, and I though I was very optimistic about things.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Man, and I though I was very optimistic about things.

We could go with your live demo-ops plan I guess?

Either way it will be difficult and messy : )

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

We could go with your live demo-ops plan I guess?

Either way it will be difficult and messy : )

Come to think of it, I think my "start from scratch" plan also depends on Snyder changing his ways....I guess I'm being delusional.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?

I didn't say they were the accurate issues. I said these were the problems I see with JC. Now again I'm not a coach, but at this point I would be changing out JC to try to make a statement and maybe ignite a fire. that anyone can get benched at this point.

If you see other issues with the QB feel free to share, but don't point out O-line issues when I was simply talking about JC's issues. Unless you don't think JC has issues.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I didn't say they were the accurate issues. I said these were the problems I see with JC. Now again I'm not a coach, but at this point I would be changing out JC to try to make a statement and maybe ignite a fire. that anyone can get benched at this point.

If you see other issues with the QB feel free to share, but don't point out O-line issues when I was simply talking about JC's issues. Unless you don't think JC has issues.

How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.

Ok. Zorn is struggling and Snyder has been struggling for 10 years. If both of them left town tomorrow, I would throw a f-ing party.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.

Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.

We should get rid of Campbell, plus any receivers who show promise this year.

We need to be a running team because that's what we were in the 70's and 80's. And the only way to get there is to get rid of all people who have had success throwing and catching the football in their careers.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.

It isn't Cambells fault. He has a f-ing unqualified eccentric idiot manning the ship. Norv is 1 billion times better than this god d--- jackass.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.

Again I get the feeling you are talking about something other then the QB position. I was simply pointing out that JC has not developed well over 6 yrs. Nothing has changed. We have the same product on the field. You can't say JC is not struggling. I know the failure today is not all JC's fault but he sure did contribute to the problems.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Again I get the feeling you are talking about something other then the QB position. I was simply pointing out that JC has not developed well over 6 yrs. Nothing has changed. We have the same product on the field. You can't say JC is not struggling. I know the failure today is not all JC's fault but he sure did contribute to the problems.

I guess there are about three different lenses at which you can look at Campbell's development. In one light, he hasn't progressed as well as he probably could have under ideal conditions. On a second hand, the improvement has been steady and consistent. On a third, nothing Campbell has done could overcome overall offensive ineptitude.

And yeah, Campbell contributed to the problems today. He also had the kind of day throwing a football against the Lions defense that you would expect from a good QB.

But I wonder, if we can't win with Jason Campbell, exactly how do we win without him? Draft a quarterback and hope to get lucky? It's not like Sanchez would be anything but 1-2 here.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

IMO we just don't have the players. We've had this group now for a while....Moss, Portis, Cooley, JC, Carter, ARE, Daniels, Griff, Landry, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Rogers, Smoot, Rocky...these for the most part are our core players and since they've been on the team we've been average to below average.