Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Pain,

Zorn has also stated he's gotten much better and faster with his release
I thought Zorn commented on this after the Rams game also. Yes the release is faster but I don't think it's where Zorn would like it. but I still think the WR issue's go hand in hand with JC's issues. Maybe bringing in a qualified WR coach would make JC look outstanding.

Please define "can't read defenses". Typically someone who cannot read defenses throws a high number of interceptions (see Patrick Ramsey) because he's throwing into coverages. How do we know that he changes into the wrong play too many times? If anything, Zorn has praised him for checking into and out of plays when the defense calls for it. His major error was checking to the run on 3rd and 7 vs. NYG but that's one occurence, please cite some others.
Maybe I am an idiot. I don't know if he's changing into the wrong play too many time. You are correct. I'll retract my statement, but it's my feelings when after you see a change at the line and the play fails then the camera pans to Zorn fuming on the sideline....just my observation. As to reading defenses, again just my feelings/observations since he's been with the organization. He fails to pick up the rush or where it's coming from. Fails to change into a more productive play call perhaps a quick slant (like those other top QB's you named) or move to the shot gun to buy more time.

WHAT?? So a player that was projected to be a low 1st or high 2nd round pick now wouldn't have been drafted AT ALL???
I didn't know he was projected so high. Hmm. I might have to change my way of thinking.

Show me a QB that hasn't over or under thrown multiple over the span of a few games. Campbell has his flaws, mechanics and accuracy are among them, but you have to take the balance.
I agree with you here. Other have over thrown their receivers. I just wonder why after 5 yrs with Moss, 4 with ARE, 1 with Thomas and Kelly he can't be more on the money with his passes. Even Cooley, who is his favorite receiver has to grab the ball from behind or make finger tip grabbs all the time. Why can't the ball be placed so the receivers can continue with their flow of running their routes? It seems most of his passes that are connecting are passes where the receiver sat down into a zone and waited for the ball.

Ok, who would you consider to be Campbell's peers in the league? He's not at the level of Manning, Brees, Brady, etc. nor is he at the depth of Russell, Quinn, Leftwich. So who would you compare him to on the same plane?
This is obviously where one must use stats. Go look for your self but I'm guessing Cutler would be one. I don't see Cutler as being anything special either. Since you brought up the other names though ...they were first round drafts...no different then JC. Yet you are saying he's not in their league.

Well actually only Manning (of the successful QB I noted) was a 1st round pick but Russell, Quinn and Leftwich were all 1st round picks and all picked higher than Campbell.

[SBXVII]

Also keep in mind Eli Manning was considered to be an idiot by many until he led the team to the SB. Now he seems like a genius.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Also keep in mind Eli Manning was considered to be an idiot by many until he led the team to the SB. Now he seems like a genius.

Yeah. The Giants were more competitive than us leading up to that super bowl season, but it's not unreasonable to think the talent this team has could carry the day in the playoffs.

If we're not in the playoffs at all, it's a good indication that the long-term aspects of the franchise just aren't working. Also a good indicator: losing to the Lions.

[warriorzpath]

In order to win consistently in the NFL, the qb needs to be able to make plays to win the game, especially in close games. Campbell just doesn't make plays to win the game. If Campbell makes the plays in the Giants and Lions games instead of making mistakes, the redskins could easily be 3-0 and the attitude towards and of the team would be way different. That's the difference and impact that a few plays from the qb would make for a whole team and season.

[NYCskinfan82]

JC is the man. You got to have faith i refused to say the season is over, we will right the boat and alot of people will be eating crow. I'm a die hard fan and we will make the playoffs.

HTTR.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

There is one nummber you didn't get 1-2 as a starter. That is the number that gets you more money and a ring!

[SmootSmack]

Maybe Campbell should be given more opportunities to make plays...or was he supposed to get the lateral from Betts on the final play of the game and take it to the house?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe Campbell should be given more opportunities to make plays...or was he supposed to get the lateral from Betts on the final play of the game and take it to the house?

That's very true too, but campbell did some opportunities right before that to win the game.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe Campbell should be given more opportunities to make plays...or was he supposed to get the lateral from Betts on the final play of the game and take it to the house?

Or maybe when he's given a chance to make a play, he should make it. Then maybe he'll be given more chances. I wouldn't let him throw another fade route in the end zone, since he can't seem to keep the ball in bounds. The sideline route is probably out too, since he underthrew Kelly on the first play of the Rams game and cost us a TD and then later threw the same pass 5 yards out of bounds to Devin Thomas. I'd still dial up the bombs though, since even though they've been nowhere near the receiver, they're not getting picked off. Plus, I wouldn't want to be dead last again in pass interference calls.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Or maybe when he's given a chance to make a play, he should make it. Then maybe he'll be given more chances.

Absolutely! He's been given ample opportunity...when does "potential" become realized?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Absolutely! He's been given ample opportunity...when does "potential" become realized?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

If Jason Campbell makes major progress in the stat sheet, and no one is there to read it, is he doing any better?

There's a lot of reasons our offense has struggled since last year's Lions game. The offensive line has not been good and has taken plenty of blows. The running game has not been a factor. The receivers were completely lost all of last year.

This year, the receivers are doing a better job and I think it shows up in Campbell's overall numbers. But the total product hasn't come yet. You do have to give it more than three games if you are looking for everything to come together at once. Just a week ago, Detroit was playing like the worst team in football. After an impressive win against us, they probably aren't one of the five worst teams in football.

We rank middle of the pack in offense, middle of the pack in defense, but our special teams have actually been pretty good. Which is a major upgrade from last year. But progress from this point on either offense or defense will be needed to put the whole package together.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

Yes. Just cause I am not there to watch a turkey roast in the oven, doesn't mean it's not being cooked.

If Jason Campbell makes major progress in the stat sheet, and no one is there to read it, is he doing any better?

Problem is, stat sheets don't win games. It's not MAJOR progress either. Again, I feel the need to point out his 5 fumbles that lead the league. Keep in mind, everyone shut up about Campbell when we were 6-2 last year and his "stat sheet" looked good cause there were next to no interceptions. This is a guy on pace for 16 tds. So what? Fact is, NO ONE respects Campbell's ability in the NFL for a reason, so maybe you should go talk to them and tell them about Campbell's "stats". They are playing to stop the run, and guess what, Campbell isn't stepping up to beat them. Go figure. We can NOT rely on campbell to win us games, he's just not good enough, and if he doesn't get it now, he never will.

There's a lot of reasons our offense has struggled since last year's Lions game. The offensive line has not been good and has taken plenty of blows. The running game has not been a factor. The receivers were completely lost all of last year.

Those are just skewed excuses...when Campbell over and under throws, is it all on the wr's? Cause he was off A LOT last year.

This year, the receivers are doing a better job and I think it shows up in Campbell's overall numbers. But the total product hasn't come yet. You do have to give it more than three games if you are looking for everything to come together at once. Just a week ago, Detroit was playing like the worst team in football. After an impressive win against us, they probably aren't one of the five worst teams in football.

Problem is, we have had more than 3 games for things to come together. He's 3 for his last 11. Not impressive! By now, Campbell should be taking charge and leading us to game winning drives. He's not, and hasn't, and likely never will.

We rank middle of the pack in offense, middle of the pack in defense, but our special teams have actually been pretty good. Which is a major upgrade from last year. But progress from this point on either offense or defense will be needed to put the whole package together.

We rank middle of the pack in offense (13th to be exact), yet only the raiders, rams (who almost and should have beat us) Browns, and Panthers have fewer points scored. That is a direct result of QB play. Just goes to show you how Campbell's numbers DO lie. The offense is doing the defense NO favors.

[warriorzpath]

Campbell is not the biggest problem. But he's a problem at the most important position on any team. If there was a problem at one of the special teams position, I wouldn't worry about it much because there would be simple things to do in order to help that player. But with qb, you need plays and no crucial mistakes. Campbell doesn't have any great plays that have won games and has had at least a couple of crucial mistakes.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Campbell is not the biggest problem. But he's a problem at the most important position on any team. If there was a problem at one of the special teams position, I wouldn't worry about it much because there would be simple things to do in order to help that player. But with qb, you need plays and no crucial mistakes. Campbell doesn't have any great plays that have won games and has had at least a couple of crucial mistakes.

Uh-oh. Here comes someone with a reference to the Saints game last year. You asked for it

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

Still don't get where you say everyone is calling for JC to be benched. Only one or two guys in the Skins Locker room has called for that. The obvious problem isn't Campbell. it is Zorn's playcalling and to be honest his system. I said I thought he didn't look as poised as Stafford did, nor does he seem to have the leadership, but I never called for his head on a platter or much less to be benched. Everyone on the team sucked rocks, with the exception of Moss.