Campbell's numbers dont lie

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by dgack

I see what you're getting at, but the parallel I was trying to draw is the ego-driven "I could still get out there and whip these guys" mentality. Both Harrison and Barkley have this.

The thing is, as a sports commentator, you're either a straight man, a sort of ambassador type who tries to find the silver lining in any bad team, or you're the "bad boy" type who makes "controversial" statements under the guise of "just calling it like I see it". I think both Charles and Rodney are in group 3.

Most of the time though, guys in that group don't say anything controversial at all, they take shots at safe targets. For instance, Barkley continually ripping on the Wizards, but you'll never hear him saying "Kobe is a ball hog" (even though that's not terribly controversial either). But is anyone outside of DC really going to care if he railroads Brendan Haywood or Gil?

Likewise, what QB's can Harrison attack verbally without catching serious flack? How about Favre? Certainly you would expect Harrison would have some choice comments about Brett's gunslinging mentality, maybe he's even thrown pickles to Rodney. But he says anything about Favre being done or over the hill, he'll catch hell from everyone.

I mean, hell, he's taking on TO now -- regardless of what a head case the guy is, nobody has ever disputed that Terrell Owens is a hell of an athlete and can be / has been one of the best WR's in the game (when he's not sabotaging himself). But TO is a super easy target, so Harrison goes after him. Shocker.

Commentators who happen to be former athletes can have plenty of ulterior motive for talking smack. I don't really think you can take Harrison's comments at face value in this instance. Not that this will stop anybody who is looking for evidence that Campbell sucks and should be replaced at all costs.

Great post!!

[dmvskinzfan08]

How good is Denver's o-line? Put Orton behind our o-line. Does he have Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal? One of those wins was lucky because he got a touch down off a play that should have been a pick. Orton was horrible in Chicago. But he has been placed in a QB friendly system. We dont have that here. Orton is not better than JC. Stats or other wise.

[dgack]

You know, you are never as good or as bad as stats and records may indicate, BUT:

2009 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com

After 3 games, Jason is in the top ten in passes completed (4th), passes attempted (10th), passing yards (9th), passer rating (9th), passing yards per game (9th) and yards per pass attempt (9th).

I'm sorry, but if there were any other name besides "Campbell, J." in this position, guys would be slathering at the bit to try and sign this dude for next season.

Will some of those stats come down? Sure. But my guess is they're going to be pretty good at year end and snipers looking for the magic bullet to fix this team should be careful what they wish for.

Fans of this team have gotten the front office and players we deserve.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by dgack

You know, you are never as good or as bad as stats and records may indicate, BUT:

2009 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com

After 3 games, Jason is in the top ten in passes completed (4th), passes attempted (10th), passing yards (9th), passer rating (9th), passing yards per game (9th) and yards per pass attempt (9th).

I'm sorry, but if there were any other name besides "Campbell, J." in this position, guys would be slathering at the bit to try and sign this dude for next season.

Will some of those stats come down? Sure. But my guess is they're going to be pretty good at year end and snipers looking for the magic bullet to fix this team should be careful what they wish for.

Fans of this team have gotten the front office and players we deserve.

I totally agree. All he has to do is improve in the redzone and that is the product of coaching also drop passes, bad play calls, fumbles, etc.

I think we will be worse off if we let him go. At the least we need to keep him for security purposes. Because I dont see anyone out there who is a sure shot. So be careful what you ask for. If we start winning I wonder what people will say then.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If we start winning I wonder what people will say then.

* "Sure, but [opponent] sucks!"
* It's better playcalling, Campbell didn't do anything special
* It's the defense
* Portis found his step again
* The receivers are bailing out Campbell
* Luck
* He's still not a leader (whatever that means)
* etc

[dgack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinsfan08

If we start winning I wonder what people will say then.

Originally Posted by dgack

* "Sure, but [opponent] sucks!"
* It's better playcalling, Campbell didn't do anything special
* It's the defense
* Portis found his step again
* The receivers are bailing out Campbell
* Luck
* He's still not a leader (whatever that means)
* etc

In other news, teh intarwebs proved that Redskins fans are 100% predictable. Shocking.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by dgack

In other news, teh intarwebs proved that Redskins fans are 100% predictable. Shocking.

You called it on that one.

[GTripp0012]

And honestly, there's one guy who has jumped Campbell in my opinion based on evidence from the month of September and that's Joe Flacco.

But there's 3 or 4 players I think Campbell has jumped in the hierarchy of NFL QBs.

Matt Hasselbeck
Kurt Warner
Jay Cutler
Chad Pennington

Some of that's due to injury and age decline, but those factors matter as well.

[acidsmurfman]

the panthers would love to have Jason Campbell right now

[KLHJ2]

To be honest as much as I have been an advocate of Colt to get a shot, I believe that Jason is the best QB on our roster, and better than most QB's on most rosters. Suprisingly, of all of the rookies and verteran QB's that may become available for us to draft or pick up this offseason, I feel that Campbell would give us the best chance to win over the next several years. Especially if we stick with the WCO because of the amount of time it takes to learn and perfect the system.

Honestly, I want to keep the WCO. I want to keep Campbell and even Zorn. If we keep changing the offense every 2 years, then it is never going to get any better. For once I want to see them stick with something and see it through long enough to actually reap the rewards. If it can work in Philly with McNabb, then it can work in Washington with Campbell. I think that Campbell is on his way to being better than McNabb, the numbers are starting to show. The only thing that has to improve now is TD passess and Wins.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Angry

To be honest as much as I have been an advocate of Colt to get a shot, I believe that Jason is the best QB on our roster, and better than most QB's on most rosters. Suprisingly, of all of the rookies and verteran QB's that may become available for us to draft or pick up this offseason, I feel that Campbell would give us the best chance to win over the next several years. Especially if we stick with the WCO because of the amount of time it takes to learn and perfect the system.

Honestly, I want to keep the WCO. I want to keep Campbell and even Zorn. If we keep changing the offense every 2 years, then it is never going to get any better. For once I want to see them stick with something and see it through long enough to actually reap the rewards. If it can work in Philly with McNabb, then it can work in Washington with Campbell. I think that Campbell is on his way to being better than McNabb, the numbers are starting to show. The only thing that has to improve now is TD passess and Wins.

I would actually be pretty surprised if, when McNabb returns from injury, if he's more effective than Campbell is. The Eagles have OL troubles as well, and while I'd take their receivers over ours in a vacuum, I've long thought Campbell to be the more accurate passer of the two.

I think Campbell will get our receivers more chances than McNabb will get their receivers. And then, we'll see what our offense is really made of over the next 4 games or so.

[SBXVII]

One bloggers interesting take:

The failure of Jason Campbell in pictures (Lions game) - EXTREMESKINS.com

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

One bloggers interesting take:

The failure of Jason Campbell in pictures (Lions game) - EXTREMESKINS.com

I wish those caps were in HD so I could tell who all the receivers and defenders were, but at least that guy illustrated his points.

I don't know enough about progressions or playcalling to know if those examples are entirely on Jason or not, but I will say this:

-- Regardless of what we think of Zorn as a playcaller or head coach, his coaching expertise was supposed to be as a QB coach, right?

I mean, working with Zorn for almost two years, I would expect that Jason is doing what Zorn has drilled him to do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dgack

I wish those caps were in HD so I could tell who all the receivers and defenders were, but at least that guy illustrated his points.

I don't know enough about progressions or playcalling to know if those examples are entirely on Jason or not, but I will say this:

-- Regardless of what we think of Zorn as a playcaller or head coach, his coaching expertise was supposed to be as a QB coach, right?

I mean, working with Zorn for almost two years, I would expect that Jason is doing what Zorn has drilled him to do.

Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.

Perfect example is on his first photo where it looks like Campbell overlooked a wide open man on the sideline to throw into double coverage down the middle, it was a busted play (pressure from the backside caused him to step up, then pressure was coming from the right) and at the time of the throw there was no angle to make that throw based on JC's body position and the 3 defenders in the area. I am watching the Short Cut right now and this is a clear indication of the video telling a story that the facts don't back up.