Campbell's numbers dont lie

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

One bad half, one good half. I'm calling it a wash. More importantly, we won.

I think people really need to stop over analyzing the QB play.

should prob just ignore everything every week and look forward to the next one

heh...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

One bad half, one good half. I'm calling it a wash. More importantly, we won.

I think people really need to stop over analyzing the QB play.

No, two bad halves and one throw to Moss after he beat his man on a double move. He was not seeing the field at all. I have no idea what was happening downfield without the All-22, but it is obvious that the guy is not making quick decisions, has no timing to his game, and is unable to get a clear picture of the defenses he is seeing. That Tampa team was the worst pass defense in the NFL coming into this game. It is also a complete fallacy to think that this was the first poor game that Campbell has had this year. He has had these problems seeing the field all year, it just showed up more blatantly in the stat line today.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

No, two bad halves and one throw to Moss after he beat his man on a double move. He was not seeing the field at all. I have no idea what was happening downfield without the All-22, but it is obvious that the guy is not making quick decisions, has no timing to his game, and is unable to get a clear picture of the defenses he is seeing. That Tampa team was the worst pass defense in the NFL coming into this game. It is also a complete fallacy to think that this was the first poor game that Campbell has had this year. He has had these problems seeing the field all year, it just showed up more blatantly in the stat line today.

So you're completely disregarding the 10 play drive ending with the Cooley TD, right?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So you're completely disregarding the 10 play drive ending with the Cooley TD, right?

Might as well give up Ruhskins. Misery loves company!! So this guy is saying Campbell had only one good pass? Not saying he played great today. But some people want something to complain about but rarely give any credit when credit is due. Just bitch bitch bitch. But some are correct in saying that this is what a forum board is for and it would be boring without the whining. But you have to at least point out the good things when they happen. We know JC threw 3 ints. But Portis played better and the Defense played better and we scored 2 TD's (not in garbage time -- because those dont count by some peoples standards). Oh and guess what...


WE WON

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So you're completely disregarding the 10 play drive ending with the Cooley TD, right?

You mean this drive?

1-10-WAS 31 (8:56) 26-C.Portis left end pushed ob at WAS 39 for 8 yards (51-B.Ruud).

2-2-WAS 39 (8:32) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 47-C.Cooley to TB 44 for 17 yards (54-G.Hayes). Tight end screen. Hmm, wonder if Campbell's struggles led the team to change the playcalling to protect their QB. No need to read the defense, pass is preset.

1-10-TB 44 (7:54) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 42 for 2 yards (90-G.Adams).

2-8-TB 42 (7:20) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 40 for 2 yards (96-T.Crowder).

3-6-TB 40 (6:37) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 46-L.Betts to TB 36 for 4 yards (97-J.Wilkerson, 51-B.Ruud). Check down to Ladell Betts. Picked up the first down here, but you still are not convincing me that he is a great quarterback. He flushed himself here too if I remember, so again no timing or rhythm.

Timeout #1 by WAS at 06:10.

4-2-TB 36 (6:10) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 47-C.Cooley to TB 24 for 12 yards (25-A.Talib). Nice play to get open by Cooley. Again Campbell had to float right, but it did give Cooley a chance to slide to the open space.

1-10-TB 24 (5:32) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 47-C.Cooley (20-R.Barber).

2-10-TB 24 (5:27) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 86-F.Davis to TB 25 for -1 yards (58-Q.Black). Another tight end screen. I have trouble believing the play calling was not trying to compensate for Campbell's issues processing information. And I am sick of Zorn too, so it is not like I am trying to defend that guy either.

3-11-TB 25 (4:47) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell scrambles right end to TB 12 for 13 yards (58-Q.Black). QB's that don't get a clear picture often scramble. Case in point.

1-10-TB 12 (4:02) PENALTY on WAS-89-S.Moss, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at TB 12 - No Play.

1-15-TB 17 (3:38) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass deep middle to 47-C.Cooley for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN. I can't remember precisely how this play developed, but I am fairly sure that it was not a play that Campbell made on rhythm. I think he flushed left before he made the throw. Again, he has trouble diagnosing defenses and anticipating routes. Here again, I am willing to bet that when I watch again he was able to throw to an open receiver, but unable to anticipate that player coming open.

Did you see him make any quick decisions and process information quickly all day? I haven't rewatched yet, but I don't remember seeing it. You're clearly content to go down with the HMS Campbell, nothing that happens will change your opinion, but I've seen enough.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You mean this drive?

1-10-WAS 31 (8:56) 26-C.Portis left end pushed ob at WAS 39 for 8 yards (51-B.Ruud).

2-2-WAS 39 (8:32) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 47-C.Cooley to TB 44 for 17 yards (54-G.Hayes). Tight end screen. Hmm, wonder if Campbell's struggles led the team to change the playcalling to protect their QB. No need to read the defense, pass is preset.

1-10-TB 44 (7:54) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 42 for 2 yards (90-G.Adams).

2-8-TB 42 (7:20) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 40 for 2 yards (96-T.Crowder).

3-6-TB 40 (6:37) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 46-L.Betts to TB 36 for 4 yards (97-J.Wilkerson, 51-B.Ruud). Check down to Ladell Betts. Picked up the first down here, but you still are not convincing me that he is a great quarterback. He flushed himself here too if I remember, so again no timing or rhythm.

Timeout #1 by WAS at 06:10.

4-2-TB 36 (6:10) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 47-C.Cooley to TB 24 for 12 yards (25-A.Talib). Nice play to get open by Cooley. Again Campbell had to float right, but it did give Cooley a chance to slide to the open space.

1-10-TB 24 (5:32) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 47-C.Cooley (20-R.Barber).

2-10-TB 24 (5:27) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 86-F.Davis to TB 25 for -1 yards (58-Q.Black). Another tight end screen. I have trouble believing the play calling was not trying to compensate for Campbell's issues processing information. And I am sick of Zorn too, so it is not like I am trying to defend that guy either.

3-11-TB 25 (4:47) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell scrambles right end to TB 12 for 13 yards (58-Q.Black). QB's that don't get a clear picture often scramble. Case in point.

1-10-TB 12 (4:02) PENALTY on WAS-89-S.Moss, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at TB 12 - No Play.

1-15-TB 17 (3:38) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass deep middle to 47-C.Cooley for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN. I can't remember precisely how this play developed, but I am fairly sure that it was not a play that Campbell made on rhythm. I think he flushed left before he made the throw. Again, he has trouble diagnosing defenses and anticipating routes. Here again, I am willing to bet that when I watch again he was able to throw to an open receiver, but unable to anticipate that player coming open.

Did you see him make any quick decisions and process information quickly all day? I haven't rewatched yet, but I don't remember seeing it. You're clearly content to go down with the HMS Campbell, nothing that happens will change your opinion, but I've seen enough.

Is this guy seriously using a successful drive to point out how unsuccessful we were on this drive..

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

(3:38) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass deep middle to 47-C.Cooley for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN.[B]

This is what f'ing matters and what you are disregarding.

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I can't remember precisely how this play developed, but I am fairly sure that it was not a play that Campbell made on rhythm. I think he flushed left before he made the throw. Again, he has trouble diagnosing defenses and anticipating routes. Here again, I am willing to bet that when I watch again he was able to throw to an open receiver, but unable to anticipate that player coming open.

Great analysis there...you can't remember and you think. Good job.

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You're clearly content to go down with the HMS Campbell, nothing that happens will change your opinion, but I've seen enough.

If Campbell had not recovered, he would have been benched and I would be right here with you hating on him. To me, he came back, threw for two TDs and won the game.

I'm sure the Cowpukes wished Tony Homo could have done this today.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You mean this drive?
1-10-TB 24 (5:32) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 47-C.Cooley (20-R.Barber).

Wait, what the hell is this? This must be a typo. A pass on 1st down? Sorry I'm not buying that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Did you see him make any quick decisions and process information quickly all day? I haven't rewatched yet, but I don't remember seeing it. You're clearly content to go down with the HMS Campbell, nothing that happens will change your opinion, but I've seen enough.

You've seen enough? And who do you propose we start in his place??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

No, two bad halves and one throw to Moss after he beat his man on a double move. He was not seeing the field at all. I have no idea what was happening downfield without the All-22, but it is obvious that the guy is not making quick decisions, has no timing to his game, and is unable to get a clear picture of the defenses he is seeing. That Tampa team was the worst pass defense in the NFL coming into this game. It is also a complete fallacy to think that this was the first poor game that Campbell has had this year. He has had these problems seeing the field all year, it just showed up more blatantly in the stat line today.

Do you think Todd Collins is the answer?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

No, two bad halves and one throw to Moss after he beat his man on a double move. He was not seeing the field at all. I have no idea what was happening downfield without the All-22, but it is obvious that the guy is not making quick decisions, has no timing to his game, and is unable to get a clear picture of the defenses he is seeing. That Tampa team was the worst pass defense in the NFL coming into this game. It is also a complete fallacy to think that this was the first poor game that Campbell has had this year. He has had these problems seeing the field all year, it just showed up more blatantly in the stat line today.

I think you're making a lot of generalizations to try to fit a games-worth of evidence into a single neat storyline, and it's costing you some accuracy. On the whole, you're right, Campbell wasn't really diagnosing coverages most of the game, and it led to a bunch of errors. But not all of Campbell's errors fit into this blanket critique.

A lot of his problems in this game were just due to plain old inaccuracy with the football. And the statistics suggest that he was one of the most accurate passers in the league last year. So that screams aberration.

He was also somewhat indecisive with the football at points where he stepped up in the pocket, and that's the thing he corrected in the second half. He made his decisions much quicker in the second half than the first. Which is what he needs to be doing.

And no, I simply don't agree that you can extend these mistakes back to the first two games of the season. Agreed on the poor quality of the Tampa pass defense, but if you're just going to be a revisionist, then we can't be friends. The context is absolutely critical. We've seen Campbell look bad for two-game stretches before, and put together darn good years overall.

So in conclusion, though I feel like a lot of your criticisms are legit, the "I've seen enough" attitude is peculiar at best.

[MTK]

Say what?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Say what?

every week we hear on here why we shouldn't worry

gets old after 18 years

I get excited for every game but damn

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

every week we hear on here why we shouldn't worry

gets old after 18 years

I get excited for every game but damn

I think we hear plenty of worrying, you reading the same board I am??

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think we hear plenty of worrying, you reading the same board I am??

yeah but i see threads close and 20 don't worry about it threads pop up lol