Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

The other point is: all the franchise-ness in the world wouldn't help Mike Williams or Jason Fabini be an adequate long-term tackle.

You can live with the so-called replacement level OT, but there's some guys who just shouldn't be on your roster. The Saints are getting it done with Jermon Bushrod at LT, and he can't be any better than Heyer. But the other four guys on their line are excellent, and more importantly, haven't missed a start in quite some time.

[SmootSmack]

Speaking of offensive linemen

Jon Jansen will be on guard for the Lions | detnews.com | The Detroit News

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Speaking of offensive linemen

Jon Jansen will be on guard for the Lions | detnews.com | The Detroit News

good for him I guess

[GTripp0012]

Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

Maybe not the best but top five for sure

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Maybe not the best but top five for sure

ok well then what about drew brees last year? he almost broke the ALL TIME yardage record with injuries to his best wr. he was throwing to lance moore, devry henderson and robert meachum..... yet he cracked 5,000 yards.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

I found it interesting that Packers coach Mike McCarthy put 6 of 8 sacks at Rodgers feet for not getting the ball out on time. A lot of folks have been using Rodgers as an example of a QB who puts up numbers despite a high number of sacks, but now we know that he may be bringing much of those on himself if you believe his coach. The only QB numbers that really matter to me is whether the guy wins games for you, and for Rodgers, the jury is still out on that count.

[GTripp0012]

Or maybe they cant.

[GTripp0012]

Problem is, of course, that the Packers are just 4-3, and with the defense that Dom Capers has given them, if they don't make some noise this year, they are in trouble for the future.

[DBUCHANON101]

Id rather see us go LT in the draft and if there isnt a good QB in the 2nd we can then go after a QB in FA. We definately need a LT and a Center first and foremost. Then a RB to take snaps from CP.
I guess it all depends on what our new HC wants to do offensively. But it all starts up front.