Campbell's numbers dont lie

[redskinfan401]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You put Patrick Ramsey behind a pro-bowl offensive line and he'd be a top 5 quarterback. I'm not kidding. Just about ANY QB can be pro-bowl caliber if his line is good, but that doesn't mean he's a great QB... just the beneficiay of 5 amazing guys protecting his butt. What we have, even with injuries, is a slightly below average offensive line that was average in the second half of last year and top5 in the first half of last year. Campbell hasnt gotten it done consistently no matter how good the o-line in front of him was playing.

Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by redskinfan401

Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.

I don't know why this isn't more glaringly obvious. Get the O-Line fixed before we worry about a QB. The line is horrible, if that's not fixed it doesn't matter who we put in the doggone pocket.

Still, I honestly believe Campbell is gone after the season regardless of how he looks over the next seven games (too much damage has been done, for his own good I think he should leave this club), and I honestly believe we are gonna waste a pick on a QB who will suffer behind another patchwork line in 2010.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskinfan401

Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.

Like I said, Campbell will be gone next year...the question is whether the next FO will address the offensive line before or after addressing the QB position. I'm afraid that they'll have the mentality of some of the people here and bring in a first round QB instead of a first round tackle.

Originally Posted by ashvirtually

I don't know why this isn't more glaringly obvious. Get the O-Line fixed before we worry about a QB. The line is horrible, if that's not fixed it doesn't matter who we put in the doggone pocket.

Still, I honestly believe Campbell is gone after the season regardless of how he looks over the next seven games (too much damage has been done, for his own good I think he should leave this club), and I honestly believe we are gonna waste a pick on a QB who will suffer behind another patchwork line in 2010.

Well said, yet the JC haters a.k.a. min-Snyders for some reason think he'll be around.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Like I said, Campbell will be gone next year...the question is whether the next FO will address the offensive line before or after addressing the QB position. I'm afraid that they'll have the mentality of some of the people here and bring in a first round QB instead of a first round tackle.



Well said, yet the JC haters a.k.a. min-Snyders for some reason think he'll be around.

I'm not a JC hater and I think there is a good chance you see him sign a one to two year with us next year. If they go oline with top picks then he might be your best option. Plus this might be the only place he gets a chance to start and build his worth.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Campbell is on pace this type of season:

299 of 452 (66.1%) for 3,324 yards, 18 TDs and 14 INTs. QB rating of 87.9

It's another year of improvement, career highs in completion %, yards, QB rating, and TDs. All with a subpar offensive line.

So is this a guy we look to move on from? I'm on the fence.

He just doesn't make enough plays to win any games for us. I'd rather have a guy that throws more INt's but can give me 25+ td's. JC will never be that kind of guy. He's always going to have low td and int numbers. That's fine if we've got the Ravens defense of 2000. But we don't. Bring in some competition or let Colt compete for the job.

[wilsowilso]

One thing I am sure of. The Redskins oline has been a major problem for a long long very long time.

The Samuels/Jansen combo was pretty overrated from day one.

The line JC has had the fortune to play behind over his entire pro career has been a vastly overrated unit IMO.

This year the line is just a freakin nightmare. Who knows how good the guy is?

JC isn't any kind of hall of famer, but he has plenty of good skills.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

One thing I am sure of. The Redskins oline has been a major problem for a long long very long time.

The Samuels/Jansen combo was terribly overrated from day one.

The line JC has played behind over his entire pro career has been a vastly overrated unit IMO.

This year the line is just a freakin nightmare. Who knows how good the guy is?

JC isn't any kind of hall of famer, but he has plenty of good skills.

Its the same line that TC used when he took us to the playoffs. and its also the same line that CP ran behind when he was having very good seasons for us. Id say it was above avg until recently when injuries/age began to set in.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Its the same line that TC used when he took us to the playoffs. and its also the same line that CP ran behind when he was having very good seasons for us. Id say it was above avg until recently when injuries/age began to set in.

The Redskins offense has been bad forever.

I argue that it starts and ends with the oline.

They shouldn't take all the blame, but I think they were kind of fooling us for many years. Just good enough to not get really exposed.

[redsk1]

Good post DB 101. It's the exception to the rule when a "mediocre" QB wins the SB.

The only reason this thread is "revived" is b/c Kyle Orton got hurt and didn't play the 2nd half and LB/the oline had a big game yesterday. JC had an average day.

[rbanerjee23]

his problem is that his stat line is fine but the problem is he misses too many wide open wide receivers - he left 2 touchdowns that I saw on the field: the missed bomb to santana moss and the intentional grounding call where he should have seen Yoder wide open 2 yards from the end zone

[Ruhskins]

It's funny that this discussion has become Jason Campbell Haters vs. People that think Jason Campbell is an average at best/mediocre all the time QB.

Jason Campbell haters are upset that JC is not having a horrible statistical season, and would like nothing more to rub it in to former Campbell supporters (notice that I said former). But when JC is having a pretty season statistically, it's really hard to completely rub it in...although once again, most supporters of JC are now former supporters.

JC haters also continue to make the indirect argument that Campbell is the only reason this team is in the shape it is right now, once again completely overlooking other aspects of the team that are completely wrong. Once again, they have the mentality that 1 good QB + sorry ass team = Championship.

As I said, I'm in the JC is an average at best/mediocre all the time QB. I don't think he's going to be back next year and wish him the best. That being said, I have enough of a brain to not babble that he's the doom of the Redskins, and ignore his stats. I also don't forget that the Redskins have never been a passing team, and the team has put all its eggs in the running game (Portis), and the defense (Haynesworth, Orakpo, etc., etc.).

If all of you that loathe Jason Campbell (because he's not Brady, Brees, or P. Manning) want to see a change, well then you better hope the team starts building up the offensive line, and spend a lot of resources on an elite QB. That hasn't been the philosophy, otherwise Gibbs would have not brought Brunnel.

So stop getting your panties in a bunch JC haters, don't forget that he will be gone next season, or at worst, he'll be carrying the clipboard as the 2nd stringer.

[redsk1]

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

exactly. don't forget carson palmer.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Palmer
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

So I guess it comes to this, if you plugged ANY of those QB on our current roster, system and organizational structure in a one for one trade, would they automatically make us a SB contender and would JC automatically make them an also ran?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So I guess it comes to this, if you plugged ANY of those QB on our current roster, system and organizational structure in a one for one trade, would they automatically make us a SB contender and would JC automatically make them an also ran?

No not at all. We've got some major issues. One QB is not going to make us a SB contender. We've got RB, OL, WR issues...major issues.

But i'd guarantee one of those QB's would make us a better team immediately.

We've endured average QB's under Gibbs 2 right? If we would have had a Carson Palmer for our two playoff runs under Gibbs how far could we have gone? We lived w/ an average QB and a great defense and didn't make it to the Championship game. IMO, we could have gone that 2005 season, w/ a better QB. Gibbs had options, he just took the wrong option in MB.