Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

What are the stats on 4th quarter comebacks for most QBs. Ifyou said 4th quarter it might have been acceptable. But the comebacks kind of made yoru arguement less relevant. Only because only the great ones do that. Like Favre Manning and Brady. Only a hand full are probably successful. Even these Qbs had to take some lumps to get where they are. There is no learning curve in Skins Nation and most people are unrealistic or impatient in their expectations. Brady was in the same system fo ryeas before he started. Manning was horrible his first year and okay the second year as a starter. it took years for him to win a Superbowl. His system remained intact also. Favre. If Favre was here as a young player he would never have reached his potential. He would have been ran out of town.

So all I ask is be realistic and be patient. Mannings and Brady's dont come around that often. Both Flacco and Ryan are a product of a system that is QB friendly as far as their defenses and running games go. You can also say this for the coveted Sanchez. He is not putting up big numbers. he is maintaining the game and has a very good offense.

Barf.

Impatient? In this day and age, patience is for excuse-makers.

Look at our "core" guys -- Samuels, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Randle El, Rabach, Randy Thomas, Campbell, Betts, Sellers, Daniels, McIntosh, Rogers, Griffin, Carter -- these are all guys who have been here going back to the dreadful 2006 season. Some even before that. Year after year it's nothing but ordinary with these players. Ordinary play, ordinary results -- but in many cases, extraordinary salaries.

Four seasons is about as long as anyone should need to know what you have and what you don't have. With this ownership structure, we're at the ten year mark. Ten years with three winning seasons. Just how patient are Redskins fans supposed to be?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Four seasons is about as long as anyone should need to know what you have and what you don't have. With this ownership structure, we're at the ten year mark. Ten years with three winning seasons. Just how patient are Redskins fans supposed to be?

So what's the solution? Get rid of all of them just to prove a point? Or try to separate the non-contributors from the ones who can help us win in the future?

I agree that keeping all hands on deck while trying to add different forms of talent is not leading to the place we want it to. But what should we change first?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So what's the solution? Get rid of all of them just to prove a point? Or try to separate the non-contributors from the ones who can help us win in the future?

I agree that keeping all hands on deck while trying to add different forms of talent is not leading to the place we want it to. But what should we change first?

In some ways, I feel like we could be staring at the 1993/1994 seasons all over again. We're old at some pretty pivotal positions, and getting old and ineffective at others. The rest who aren't old just aren't all that great.

And as much as I don't want this to be the case, it looks to me like those three second rounders from a year ago just aren't going to pan out.

This owner doesn't have the patience to go through a complete overhaul and rebuilding process. Instead, he keeps adding pieces to a core that's going to fall apart at some point anyway, and we never really get anywhere. And again, I maintain that the core just isn't very good.

I think it's time to blow the whole thing up.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

In some ways, I feel like we could be staring at the 1993/1994 seasons all over again. We're old at some pretty pivotal positions, and getting old and ineffective at others. The rest who aren't old just aren't all that great.

And as much as I don't want this to be the case, it looks to me like those three second rounders from a year ago just aren't going to pan out.

This owner doesn't have the patience to go through a complete overhaul and rebuilding process. Instead, he keeps adding pieces to a core that's going to fall apart at some point anyway, and we never really get anywhere. And again, I maintain that the core just isn't very good.

I think it's time to blow the whole thing up.

Alright, but even blowing the whole thing up never implies getting rid of 53 players in a single offseason.

So what do you rebuild first? A lot of teams start with the passing offense, but that's a weird situation for us because few teams that lose as consistently as we do have been able to have a source of passing offense each of the last five years (well, 2007 is debatable). So, do we start by tearing up the defense? The offensive line? The running game?

If we choose to rebuild, which seems like a reasonable option, I'm not even sure where we would begin. We don't have a lot of money tied up in our passing game, but that's been our only bright spot this year. And our receivers are, if nothing else, young.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright, but even blowing the whole thing up never implies getting rid of 53 players in a single offseason.

So what do you rebuild first? A lot of teams start with the passing offense, but that's a weird situation for us because few teams that lose as consistently as we do have been able to have a source of passing offense each of the last five years (well, 2007 is debatable). So, do we start by tearing up the defense? The offensive line? The running game?

If we choose to rebuild, which seems like a reasonable option, I'm not even sure where we would begin. We don't have a lot of money tied up in our passing game, but that's been our only bright spot this year. And our receivers are, if nothing else, young.

I think you have to start up front. Problem is we never have enough draft picks to really begin an infusion of youth. I've always believed that a great offensive line will allow you to get RBs on the cheap. Timmy Smith, Terrell Davis, and Stephen Davis come to mind. Get some good blockers up front, now your QB has time and bargain running backs can find running lanes.

If you have to start somewhere, start at the O-line.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think you have to start up front. Problem is we never have enough draft picks to really begin an infusion of youth. I've always believed that a great offensive line will allow you to get RBs on the cheap. Timmy Smith, Terrell Davis, and Stephen Davis come to mind. Get some good blockers up front, now your QB has time and bargain running backs can find running lanes.

If you have to start somewhere, start at the O-line.

Alright. But Samuels and Dockery have been more than serviceable in their careers here, and I don't know what you'd call the right side of the line except a rebuilding project. So outside of using a high draft pick on the OL (whi ch you and I both favor), exactly who should go to make room for these players? Samuels is old, but does that mean we should part ways while he is still effective?

In a lot of ways, this is the first year of our OL rebuilding project. Randy Thomas is probably done as a Redskin, Casey Rabach is likely in his final season here, and we're trying to see if we have anything in Heyer or Rinehart. We could use a big, mean, proven college body, but I kind think we're already rebuilding on the OL.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright. But Samuels and Dockery have been more than serviceable in their careers here, and I don't know what you'd call the right side of the line except a rebuilding project. So outside of using a high draft pick on the OL (whi ch you and I both favor), exactly who should go to make room for these players? Samuels is old, but does that mean we should part ways while he is still effective?

In a lot of ways, this is the first year of our OL rebuilding project. Randy Thomas is probably done as a Redskin, Casey Rabach is likely in his final season here, and we're trying to see if we have anything in Heyer or Rinehart. We could use a big, mean, proven college body, but I kind think we're already rebuilding on the OL.

No, certainly you don't take Samuels out with the garbage. Dockery stays too. But left tackle has to be in the plans somewhere down the line. I agree -- right guard and right tackle are already up in the air. It sure would be nice if Rinehart steps right in and becomes a fixture. Can't jettison him until we know what we've got. As far as who goes, you'd hope that whoever they draft will easily replace any of our current backups who weren't able to break into a starting position this year.

It's also important to point out that drafting linemen shouldn't just be a one or two-year action plan. You have to layer your picks, and find a way to take two or three every other draft or so no matter what.