Greg Blache needs to be held accountable!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Who are these "experts"? How many Redskins games have they reviewed on DVR or with actual game film? Have they looked at out defensive stats other than yards & points?

I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.

I have no idea why you are trying to defend the play of the defense?

They are playing like a bunch of clowns probably because they are coached by a clown, but with that amount of talent they should be ashamed of themselves.

They stink.

London Fletcher is the only player who gets a complete free pass because he is and always has been a beast.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I have no idea why you are trying to defend the play of the defense?

They are playing like a bunch of clowns probably because they are coached by a clown, but with that amount of talent they should be ashamed of themselves.

They stink.

London Fletcher is the only player who gets a complete free pass because he is and always has been a beast.

If you listen what I'm saying then you'd know that I'm really not defending them. My argument is in Sun. game our guys were in position to make plays, they just didn't make them. They lost their one on one battles. And they didn't make them cause I really don't think we have great players. Not in the secondary, not on the line and we've got one LB that's out of position that got exposed in pass coverage. Now even though all that when has our defense given up 28+ points? This year and last year or since Blache has taken over? When ???

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If you listen what I'm saying then you'd know that I'm really not defending them. My argument is in Sun. game our guys were in position to make plays, they just didn't make them. They lost their one on one battles. And they didn't make them cause I really don't think we have great players. Not in the secondary, not on the line and we've got one LB that's out of position that got exposed in pass coverage. Now even though all that when has our defense given up 28+ points? This year and last year or since Blache has taken over? When ???

The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."

We must have been thinking the same thing..lol

Also, check out NFC Playbook as they talk about our defensive woes. They are making some of the same points we were making here. So if you missed it check it out when it comes on again later on and pay attention.

YOU will also see how the o-line got man handled on that 4 and 1 and also that the kicker was franchised because he is that good. He is 10-10 in kicks over 50 yards.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."

So what would you do? Put Hall, Rogers or Smoot in bump and run against Calvin Johnson? They've already shown that they're not capable of covering or tackleling Mario Manningham. What makes you think they can cover Calvin Johnson??? Especially w/out a pass rush.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.

New theory: you are Greg Blache.

Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).

But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

New theory: you are Greg Blache.

Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).

But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.

LOL. No I'm not Greg Blache. I think his defense sucked on Sun. He needs to make adjustments. I never said he did a great job did I? However points is THE MOST IMPORTANT stat in football. Cause how much you score and how much you give up determines if you win or not. And although the defense sucked they gave up 19 points. I expect our offense to score more than that against Det. I expect our offense to score TD's when they have the ball on the 2 YARD LINE. Now I realize Det. played keep away but that's no excuse. Miami played keep away from Indy last week and Indy STILL WON. Explain that to me please???? To me it's still goes back to the same old thing. The defense bends and rarely breaks and the offense can't score TD's. And you can twist it anyway you want with your nerdy stats, but what I'm saying is the truth and that shows up in the MOST IMPORTANT STAT.... points scored vs. points given up.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.

If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.

Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".

I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.

Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post597944

FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590762

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590657

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590535

So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post593263

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.

Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".

I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.

Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post597944

FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590762

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590657

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post590535

So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post593263

Who are they?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who are they?

Read the link.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Read the link.

I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?

I appreciate the kind words. I've played and/or coached for over 20 years after HS. Never played at any college or pro level (just semi-pro, AF team). I've coached at the HS-level.