Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Hasselbeck is legit and Brees and Rodgers were victims of poor Defenses

I consider Hasselbeck average because he has had five "good" seasons out of eleven, and most of his career was spent on a team with a dominant run game and above average defense.

And my point for adding Brees and Rodgers was to illustrate the fact that even they could not overcome deficiencies on their respective teams. Right now, I think the only quarterback that you could add to a below average team and possibly make the playoffs is Peyton Manning.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I consider Hasselbeck average because he has had five "good" seasons out of eleven, and most of his career was spent on a team with a dominant run game and above average defense.

And my point for adding Brees and Rodgers was to illustrate the fact that even they could not overcome deficiencies on their respective teams. Right now, I think the only quarterback that you could add to a below average team and possibly make the playoffs is Peyton Manning.

He doesn't need to overcome anything. I hate to be redundant, but all he needs to do as quarterback is to make big plays. And I know it's better said than done, but without the qb making plays then you can't be a considered a superbowl contender- unless you have an all-time great defense. 2 losses that easily could have been won by campbell if he makes the plays - this is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 of last season.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

2 losses that easily could have been won by campbell if he makes the plays - this is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 of last season.

Surely you're kidding. I hope you're also prepared to GIVE credit to the QB for every game in which the Redskins won and at least one first down was gained due to a completed pass.

The story of this team the past 5 years is measured in made or missed field goals, one TD or less. You start trotting out examples of games that "coulda shoulda" been won, you need to put all the games that WERE won up as well.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dgack

Surely you're kidding. I hope you're also prepared to GIVE credit to the QB for every game in which the Redskins won and at least one first down was gained due to a completed pass.

The story of this team the past 5 years is measured in made or missed field goals, one TD or less. You start trotting out examples of games that "coulda shoulda" been won, you need to put all the games that WERE won up as well.

Of course, I would be giving credit- IF the redskins had a winning record. But they are at 1-2. It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Of course, I would be giving credit- IF the redskins had a winning record. But they are at 1-2. It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now.

So just so I'm clear:

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dgack

So just so I'm clear:

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

Never said anything about last year's performance in that post. Just pointed out how important the 2 games that the redskins lost this season.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Never said anything about last year's performance in that post. Just pointed out how important the 2 games that the redskins lost this season.

What? Yes you did, it's sitting right there in the quote box!

You said:

2 losses that easily could have been won by campbell if he makes the plays - this is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 of last season.

"It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now."

So you are saying it's not fair to give Jason credit for wins last season because the team has a losing record this year. But you also said in the previous post that you do hold him responsible for the team being 8-8 instead of 10-6.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by dgack

So just so I'm clear:

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

Ok, since you claimed it, name it. (see we all can coin clever sayings)

Tell us which games and how Campbell lost us last year.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Ok, since you claimed it, name it. (see we all can coin clever sayings)

Tell us which games and how Campbell lost us last year.

You got me, I was trying to clarify his (Warriorzpath's) arguments. I personally lay about 10% of the team's problems at Campbell's feet.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I consider Hasselbeck average because he has had five "good" seasons out of eleven, and most of his career was spent on a team with a dominant run game and above average defense.

And my point for adding Brees and Rodgers was to illustrate the fact that even they could not overcome deficiencies on their respective teams. Right now, I think the only quarterback that you could add to a below average team and possibly make the playoffs is Peyton Manning.

I'd say 6 years and he was a back-up for the first 2 and injured the last couple. And he still kicked our asses when we knocked his dominant running back out of the game in the first quarter of the playoffs a few years back. BTW, I didn't say he was hall of fame material, but he's a legitimate, unquestioned and un-threatened starter. My point in previous posts with Campbell is that I don't think any other team would take him to be their guaranteed starter if we were to let him walk at the end of the season. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.