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Old 09-29-2009, 05:12 PM   #1
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Re: Moving on, how do you think the Skins perform vs. bucs

Just heard Andre Carter on Moving the Chains:

-He seemed to think guys are just trying to do too much, guys need to relax and have fun

-No problems with the schemes, players need to go out there and execute what is called

-Business as usual this week, preparing hard for the Bucs, last week is behind them

-On losing to the Lions, they were the better team that day

-Zorn has not lost the locker room. Too early in the season, still 13 games to go, a win this week and they're 2-2. The world is not ending.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:13 PM   #2
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Re: Moving on, how do you think the Skins perform vs. bucs

The Redskins SHOULD win this game, but they SHOULD have won the last game, too. I'll take the Skins 13-9.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:30 PM   #3
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Re: Moving on, how do you think the Skins perform vs. bucs

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Just heard Andre Carter on Moving the Chains:

-He seemed to think guys are just trying to do too much, guys need to relax and have fun

-No problems with the schemes, players need to go out there and execute what is called
-Business as usual this week, preparing hard for the Bucs, last week is behind them

-On losing to the Lions, they were the better team that day

-Zorn has not lost the locker room. Too early in the season, still 13 games to go, a win this week and they're 2-2. The world is not ending.
The pressure just isn't there, and sometimes I think Blache could care less.

Larry Weisman, online reporter for Redskins.com had a good point the other day, but it's probably obvious to most: The Lions went with Max Protect the other day, and had seven blockers in for most of the game, while we rushed just four. That just won't get the job done, and I don't care how good your corners are -- (and ours aren't very good right now) -- when you give a QB all day to throw, he's going to connect more often than not.

We should have harassed Stafford all day long.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:00 PM   #4
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The pressure just isn't there, and sometimes I think Blache could care less.

Larry Weisman, online reporter for Redskins.com had a good point the other day, but it's probably obvious to most: The Lions went with Max Protect the other day, and had seven blockers in for most of the game, while we rushed just four. That just won't get the job done, and I don't care how good your corners are -- (and ours aren't very good right now) -- when you give a QB all day to throw, he's going to connect more often than not.

We should have harassed Stafford all day long.
But when someone goes max protect, you'd assume we'd have more DBs than they do WRs to throw the ball to.
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Re: Moving on, how do you think the Skins perform vs. bucs

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The pressure just isn't there, and sometimes I think Blache could care less.

Larry Weisman, online reporter for Redskins.com had a good point the other day, but it's probably obvious to most: The Lions went with Max Protect the other day, and had seven blockers in for most of the game, while we rushed just four. That just won't get the job done, and I don't care how good your corners are -- (and ours aren't very good right now) -- when you give a QB all day to throw, he's going to connect more often than not.

We should have harassed Stafford all day long.
Kind of like TMC said, the only time it makes sense to blitz into a max protect is when you are trying to take advantage of a specific match-up. I'm pretty sure Blache isn't smart enough to find one.

The proper way to defend the max protect is to go the other way and drop into 8 man coverage and force the quarterback to get impatient and throw ill-advised interceptions because he can't find anyone open. But by rushing four the whole game and giving Stafford only two to three different coverages to look at, he basically kept giving him one on one matchups and a clean pocket to throw from. The only way you can win that is if you win your one on ones (Rogers v. Bryant Johnson, and Smoot v. whoever). Rogers performed badly and Smoot just sucks.

But a 3 man rush with 6 guys in intermediate/deep coverage would have been the best way to go against the max protect, IMO. I don't understand: Blache figured this out against Flacco last year, and they used an identical scheme. Perhaps the difference was the Rogers won 90% of his matchups against Mason last year and only 30% of his matchups against Bryant Johnson. If that's the big difference, well, Blache needs to do better, but it's hardly all his fault.
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Kind of like TMC said, the only time it makes sense to blitz into a max protect is when you are trying to take advantage of a specific match-up. I'm pretty sure Blache isn't smart enough to find one.

The proper way to defend the max protect is to go the other way and drop into 8 man coverage and force the quarterback to get impatient and throw ill-advised interceptions because he can't find anyone open. But by rushing four the whole game and giving Stafford only two to three different coverages to look at, he basically kept giving him one on one matchups and a clean pocket to throw from. The only way you can win that is if you win your one on ones (Rogers v. Bryant Johnson, and Smoot v. whoever). Rogers performed badly and Smoot just sucks.

But a 3 man rush with 6 guys in intermediate/deep coverage would have been the best way to go against the max protect, IMO. I don't understand: Blache figured this out against Flacco last year, and they used an identical scheme. Perhaps the difference was the Rogers won 90% of his matchups against Mason last year and only 30% of his matchups against Bryant Johnson. If that's the big difference, well, Blache needs to do better, but it's hardly all his fault.
I'd say that whatever the Vikes and Saints did to force 5 INTs the first 2 games would have been the way to go. Give Stafford some credit though. Even when we did put some pressure on him, he was able to move around in the pocket or scramble out of the pocket to buy more time. But then again, our DEs blow. They can't run down anyone.
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Old 09-30-2009, 10:50 PM   #7
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Re: Moving on, how do you think the Skins perform vs. bucs

Tampa's D is worse than ours. They are 31st is rush yds/gm at 187. I believe our run game will put up over 120 yds. on them. I think Zorn will adjust and go to a more straight ahead run game. I also believe the RZ issues will be corrected against a bad Tampa D.

Defensively Johnson can move and against mobile QBs we have historically had some trouble. I don't think Blache will alter his scheme very much to keep the young QB off balance. Given time he will gain confidence and that's dangerous. Tampa will move the ball, but Johnson's inexperience and making a mistake somewhere will be the difference.

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