Smoke Signals: The Mike Holmgren rumors get louder

[SmootSmack]

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

I agree, one or the other. He almost got himself fired in Seattle when he had the GM/HC dual roles.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

Actually in looking at a quick rundown of Holmgren's picks a lot of them weren't so bad. Thanks to Holmgren the team brought in Darrell Jackson, Matt Hasselbeck, Koren Robinson, Steve Hutchinson, Floyd Womack, Rocky Bernard, Ken Lucas, Heath Evans, Alex Bannister, and Ahman Green (though he was obviously traded). I'll be the first to admit his first two years sucked at picking players but his last two actually helped set the stage for a Super Bowl run.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

But but....Cleveland haz Mangenius.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Actually in looking at a quick rundown of Holmgren's picks a lot of them weren't so bad. Thanks to Holmgren the team brought in Darrell Jackson, Matt Hasselbeck, Koren Robinson, Steve Hutchinson, Floyd Womack, Rocky Bernard, Ken Lucas, Heath Evans, Alex Bannister, and Ahman Green (though he was obviously traded). I'll be the first to admit his first two years sucked at picking players but his last two actually helped set the stage for a Super Bowl run.

It is so much more than drafting though. I'd argue our selection of talent hasn't been poor anyways. Perhaps our lack of focus on the lines is misguided but nothing about Holmgren says he focuses on the lines all that much either. He seems like a more lateral move to me.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It is so much more than drafting though. I'd argue our selection of talent hasn't been poor anyways. Perhaps our lack of focus on the lines is misguided but nothing about Holmgren says he focuses on the lines all that much either. He seems like a more lateral move to me.

I counted 8 OL and 7 DL drafted by the Seahawks from 1998-2002, the same years that Holmgren served as GM. Thats a little over 1 per year.

If we go back to the Redskins since 2004 we find 3 OL and 5 DL selected by the Redskins leading to an average of less then 1 per year, in fact it's hovering near .5 lineman drafted per year when you split up the different sides of the ball. I know no one is arguing that the Redskins draft a bunch of OL but I definately see Holmgren's track record as an improvement. Plus the crazy thing is while Holmgren was GM the Seahawks kept all their picks.

Keep in mind I still want a real GM to work with Holmgren but at the same time Holmgren serving as GM isn't the end of the world.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

Well he basically lost GM privileges in Seattle right? That's not a good sign.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

I don't know. I respect Holmgren. I know he did good things in GB, but ....I don't know. Holmgren reminds me of Andy Reid chasing his tail trying to win the big one. I know I keep preaching Marty Schottenheimer who kinda has done the same thing but putting him in a GM roll and having his son be HC who has proven his system can put up the yrds and TD's is what I would like to see. but who am I?

[TheSmurfs22]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't discount Cleveland and Buffalo as options for Holmgren.

Regardless, are we really that much better off with Holmgren as GM and head coach? I'm not sure I see that.

If anything maybe just bring him back as a GM or Team President.

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I agree. I think Holmgren would be more effective as a GM or Team President at this point. I also think he is someone Snyder would listen to and respect.