Campbell's numbers dont lie

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

If Sanchez was on our team at this point we wouldn't be better this year. Maybe in the future. But the defense there has improved signifigantly. Cutler had a high powered offense in Denver. But did they make the playoffs. Its not just on the QB. There are other factors. Not saying Jason isn't a factor in all this. But he is just one of many factors.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If Sanchez was on our team at this point we wouldn't be better this year. Maybe in the future. But the defense there has improved signifigantly. Cutler had a high powered offense in Denver. But did they make the playoffs. Its not just on the QB. There are other factors. Not saying Jason isn't a factor in all this. But he is just one of many factors.

I have a man-crush on Rex Ryan.

Me so Rexy.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

LOL.

Cutler and Sanchez will be single-handedly leading their teams to the playoffs for years to come? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but both of those teams have outstanding defenses.

I'm not saying Sanchez and Cutler aren't playing well or anything, but if you're really suggesting that they are the sole reason for both of those teams to make the playoffs and that they'll be consistently doing so for "years to come", all I can say is "puff-puff-give!"...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

LOL.

Cutler and Sanchez will be single-handedly leading their teams to the playoffs for years to come? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but both of those teams have outstanding defenses.

I'm not saying Sanchez and Cutler aren't playing well or anything, but if you're really suggesting that they are the sole reason for both of those teams to make the playoffs and that they'll be consistently doing so for "years to come", all I can say is "puff-puff-give!"...

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.

Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.

Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.

Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.

Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...

Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.

McDaniels probably won't look as good in Week 7 as he does in Week 3. But his big game is against New England. If he wins that one, even a 2-6 stretch in the next 8 games gives the Broncos a really good shot to win the division. And I can't believe I'm saying that because I was certain Seattle would be picking in the top 5 with Denver's first rounder.

How about the job Mike Nolan has done with that defense? Brady Quinn absolutely carved them up last year, and Nolan made him look like a green as grass rookie (as did Baltimore, but they do that to everyone).

Unlike last year (jsarno), I think Denver is completely for real.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.

I'll take a recent elite defensive player with a superbowl rings opinion over most others any day of the week.

I don't see how you can actually watch Cutler and Campbell play and think theyre equal. Theyre most certainly not. And Josh McDaniels, a guy who coached the best QB in the league, a guy who knows more about QBs than anyone here wanted Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell. If that's not damning for Campbell, then I dont know what is.

As to Sanchez, the Jets have far less talent on Offense than we do. That, combined with the fact that he's a rookie, makes his performance that more impressive. I'm impressed when i watch him and I respect Trent Diflers opinion on QBs and he's very high on Sanchez. In 5 years, or whenever Manning and Brady retire, Sanchez will be one of the top 3 QBs in the league. No, we were not in a position to draft him, but we should have tried harder to put ourselves in a position to be. Now we're gonna be stuck drafting one of the overrated QBs in the 2010 draft. On the bright side, atleast whoever we hire to replace Zorn will get to pick his own QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'll take a recent elite defensive player with a superbowl rings opinion over most others any day of the week.

I don't see how you can actually watch Cutler and Campbell play and think theyre equal. Theyre most certainly not. And Josh McDaniels, a guy who coached the best QB in the league, a guy who knows more about QBs than anyone here wanted Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell. If that's not damning for Campbell, then I dont know what is.

As to Sanchez, the Jets have far less talent on Offense than we do. That, combined with the fact that he's a rookie, makes his performance that more impressive. I'm impressed when i watch him and I respect Trent Diflers opinion on QBs and he's very high on Sanchez. In 5 years, or whenever Manning and Brady retire, Sanchez will be one of the top 3 QBs in the league. No, we were not in a position to draft him, but we should have tried harder to put ourselves in a position to be. Now we're gonna be stuck drafting one of the overrated QBs in the 2010 draft.

Even if that player talks bullshit every time he opens his mouth? Or, wait, let me guess, you didn't pay attention to Rodney Harrison before you heard he said this.

Fine, they're not equal. Campbell is a lot better this year. Or so the statistics say. Ridiculousness of the Kyle Orton fiasco aside, the guy (Orton) is badly outproducing Cutler this year. And well, since he's only completing 57% of his passes, no, that probably won't last.

It's not true to say that Sanchez doesn't have as much talent on offense as we do. Sanchez is playing behind the best, or second best OL in the AFC. That's a huge advanage over our line which lost our most veteran interior lineman a week ago. They have the best center in the league, we have one of the worst. In fact, the only position we are actually better at is LT.

The receivers are pretty comprable (Cotchery > Moss, Kelly > Stuckey, ARE > Clowney, Cooley > Keller, and all those matchups are pretty close), but don't you look longingly at that running game and wish you could get a piece of it?

Sanchez is working with more than either Cutler or Campbell, and now that Cutler has no OL, he's got a career high sack rate and 5 INT in 3 games. In many ways his early development was a complete product of the offensive environment in Denver, and he might be 3 years away from being a pro bowl QB for the Bears. I wonder if they will have the patience to wait him out :yeahright.

Your ability to selectively defer to the knowledge of only those who agree with you never ceases to amaze.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The receivers are pretty comprable (Cotchery > Moss, Kelly > Stuckey, ARE > Clowney, Cooley > Keller, and all those matchups are pretty close), but don't you look longingly at that running game and wish you could get a piece of it?

Not to mention they have Leon Washington and Thomas Jones. Also a rookie with promise in S Greene.