Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Please explain GTripp.

He had it earned last year at about midseason, then there were some doubts raised in the second half of the year about if he was regressing, and now he's proved that he's not.

I would extend him today, if I was in charge.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He had it earned last year at about midseason, then there were some doubts raised in the second half of the year about if he was regressing, and now he's proved that he's not.

I would extend him today, if I was in charge.

Why would you extend a QB when you have no idea who will be coaching your team and what offensive system you'll be running next year?

[dgack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why would you extend a QB when you have no idea who will be coaching your team and what offensive system you'll be running next year?

Good point -- why keep ANY continuity when you can just blow it all up and start over.

Every godforsaken year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why would you extend a QB when you have no idea who will be coaching your team and what offensive system you'll be running next year?

Good point. I'd have to think he's scheme adaptable. Given the evidence, I feel that applies.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good point. I'd have to think he's scheme adaptable. Given the evidence, I feel that applies.

I thought the fact that he's had to be in so many schemes was the reason campbell apologists say he's never become league-mvp? He's been mediocre in every scheme he's been in at the pro-level. Jason Campbell will turn 29 in the 2010-2011 season. Unless you're predicting he'll go on to have a Favre-like career, there's no sense in extending a mediocre QB. He'll be on the downside of his career by the time he ever reaches any comfort level in a new system. Unless we keep a similar offensive system next year, I won't understand any argument for keeping Campbell around.

We're better off letting our new coach pick his own veteran QB familiar with the system and then draft a young guy the coach can groom. Now, if in 2010, Campbell wants to stick around for a Collins-esque deal and compete for a starting job, then so be it, let the best man win. But extending him in 2009 without knowing exactly what system we'll be running or who will be coaching the team is just stupid. It would turn prospective head coaching candidates away, and is almost as dumb as naming offensive and defensive coordinators before hiring a head coach.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I thought the fact that he's had to be in so many schemes was the reason campbell apologists say he's never become league-mvp? He's been mediocre in every scheme he's been in at the pro-level. Jason Campbell will turn 29 in the 2010-2011 season. Unless you're predicting he'll go on to have a Favre-like career, there's no sense in extending a mediocre QB. He'll be on the downside of his career by the time he ever reaches any comfort level in a new system. Unless we keep a similar offensive system next year, I won't understand any argument for keeping Campbell around.

We're better off letting our new coach pick his own veteran QB familiar with the system and then draft a young guy the coach can groom. Now, if in 2010, Campbell wants to stick around for a Collins-esque deal and compete for a starting job, then so be it, let the best man win. But extending him in 2009 without knowing exactly what system we'll be running or who will be coaching the team is just stupid. It would turn prospective head coaching candidates away, and is almost as dumb as naming offensive and defensive coordinators before hiring a head coach.

Well, I mean, look at a stat sheet. It's hard to argue with what Campbell has accomplished in spite of significant offensive turnover. In a lot of ways, the word mediocre demeans what he actually has accomplished. The last year he played mediocre was 2007, which was his first full year as a starter. That was a long time ago.

You can probably find some 2008 splits that suggest mediocrity (**OMG--last 8 games--OMG**), but I think that's missing the big picture.

Still, I bolded your best point (and nice zinger, btw). A good organization would not handcuff it's head coach search by locking in a quarterback prior to firing it's head coach. Then again, a good organization knows how to value its own players in the context of the market. I'm clearly more concerned with them getting the small things right at this point than I am with them trying to show that they can be a good organization all of a sudden.

But that's the point. If the question is, "would you extend Jason Campbell right now?", I think the correct answer is, yes. And it's not a good situation right now to be deciding to extend players, but between Rogers, McIntosh, and Campbell, Jason is the only one who has played well enough to deserve it. And, frankly, if all a Jason Campbell extension does is force the organization to retain Zorn...then so be it. If it makes Zorn the best man for the job, then I could care less if we would not have kept him under different conditions.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

there were some doubts raised in the second half of the year about if he was regressing, and now he's proved that he's not.

Were it only so easy! "Proof" is so ... subjective. :vomit:

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He had it earned last year at about midseason, then there were some doubts raised in the second half of the year about if he was regressing, and now he's proved that he's not.

I would extend him today, if I was in charge.

WOW...thank the good Lord you are not in charge. You'd give him an extension when he's 3 for his last 11, and because he played two of the worst teams in the NFL back tp back and lost to one of them? One of them that had lost 19 straight? What did Campbell do to win any game this year? NOTHING. We won despite of him during the Rams game...he was no where to be found in the Giants game, and he only came on at the end of the Lions game which people have already pointed out was against a weak prevent type defense.
Campbell will likely keep decent % numbers cause most of his passes are short, but he will always disappear when push comes to shove and we need him. His qb make up is weak and has no win at all costs attitude.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...thank the good Lord you are not in charge. You'd give him an extension when he's 3 for his last 11, and because he played two of the worst teams in the NFL back tp back and lost to one of them? One of them that had lost 19 straight? What did Campbell do to win any game this year? NOTHING. We won despite of him during the Rams game...he was no where to be found in the Giants game, and he only came on at the end of the Lions game which people have already pointed out was against a weak prevent type defense.
Campbell will likely keep decent % numbers cause most of his passes are short, but he will always disappear when push comes to shove and we need him. His qb make up is weak and has no win at all costs attitude.

Well, I also wouldn't have drafted Devin Thomas. Thank god for him, he's proved us doubters all wrong.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He had it earned last year at about midseason, then there were some doubts raised in the second half of the year about if he was regressing, and now he's proved that he's not.

I would extend him today, if I was in charge.

So what you are saying is that he showed you that he was a leader ? That he had a command of this offense or even the team itself ? Does Jason Campbell put this team in a position to win games or does he do enough to not give the game away ? What is it that Jason Campbell does best ? His strong suit so to speak.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

So what you are saying is that he showed you that he was a leader ? That he had a command of this offense or even the team itself ? Does Jason Campbell put this team in a position to win games or does he do enough to not give the game away ? What is it that Jason Campbell does best ? His strong suit so to speak.

I think he's a leader. But I KNOW that we don't have enough information to debate that. So we can throw that point out as basically meaningless.

I think it's quite obvious that he commands the huddle. Again, what evidence to the contrary is there?

Yes. Jason both offers enough opportunities to win a game and protects the ball well enough to not lose games. There's room for improvement in the latter facet of his game.

Jason's best asset is his ability to turn plays where the offense is completely defeated into 20 yard first down runs. But he's also one of the better passers in the NFL. I think, though, if he's getting compared to Eli Manning and Tony Romo (two of the best this year and last year), there's more flaws in his passing game then those two have. But he can compete in the NFC's toughest division, an that's valuable.