Arrington on the way out?

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by Daseal

The leagues gives you some special ways to pay draft picks even if you're strapped by the cap don't they?

No. If you cannot afford to sign players, you're SOL. And no, there is no 'cap within the cap'. That's why it's expected that we'll renegoiate a few contracts to make more room. A first round pick will eat up a chunk of your cap due to a significant signing bonus.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BossHog

No. If you cannot afford to sign players, you're SOL. And no, there is no 'cap within the cap'. That's why it's expected that we'll renegoiate a few contracts to make more room. A first round pick will eat up a chunk of your cap due to a significant signing bonus.

Actually no again sorta...there is a specific part of the Salary Cap designated to the rookies. It is part of the cap and not something extra. You don't have to use it all and the money isn't designated for rookies only. It is there to simply limit the amounts of money rookies can get.

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually no again sorta...there is a specific part of the Salary Cap designated to the rookies. It is part of the cap and not something extra. You don't have to use it all and the money isn't designated for rookies only. It is there to simply limit the amounts of money rookies can get.

In other words you agree with me, but just for the sake of arguing you'll reword it? Whatever works for you.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by BossHog

In other words you agree with me, but just for the sake of arguing you'll reword it? Whatever works for you.

There is a cap within the cap. He didn't re-word it; he added more detail.

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

There is a cap within the cap. He didn't re-word it; he added more detail.

There is only one cap. And no seperate cap for signing rookies. Period. Teams have to have cap room to be able to sign rookies. That's why teams project salaries and account for how much it will take to sign rookies and free agents. You can essentially be over the cap at any time during the offseason. That's why there's a deadline for getting under the cap. Maybe you're misinformed or just understanding it the best way that you can. No hard feelings.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Maybe you're misinformed or just understanding it the best way that you can. No hard feelings.

Did you catch FRPLG's post above? Maybe you should read into things a little better the next time you start spouting off inaccuracies. But, no hard feelings right?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BossHog

There is only one cap. And no seperate cap for signing rookies. Period. Teams have to have cap room to be able to sign rookies. That's why teams project salaries and account for how much it will take to sign rookies and free agents. You can essentially be over the cap at any time during the offseason. That's why there's a deadline for getting under the cap. Maybe you're misinformed or just understanding it the best way that you can. No hard feelings.

Yes and No. The point that everyone is trying to make about rookies is this:

Based on the number and placement of draft picks a team makes, it is assigned a "rookie pool". When signing draftees, teams cannot exceed the "rookie pool" (Thus, some of the mid to low round draftees try to sign early before the top draft picks take it all).

Regardless of the rookie pool, a team must fit all its salaries (including those in the draftees) under their salary cap.

I don't know all the mechanics of the rookie pool - I think teams get an estimate before the draft and then a final after the draft to take into account any trades. Also, I assume that the Rookie Pool is governed by the standard cap rules: Thus a signing bonus will be prorated over the length of the contract (up to seven years) and the salary and prorated SB create the cap number.

[Paintrain]

It's discussions like this that make me want to stay away until training camp. :frusty:

Common sense says you don't trade elite players, real or percived status, the year after you make a huge financial committment to them.

If you don't like the team as they are constructed, find another team, the targets (Arrington, Portis, Coles, Ramsey, Brunell, Taylor) are here to stay. Love it or leave.