Week 4: Redskins vs. Buccaneers Gameday Thread

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mooby

Well what if the offensive line is only giving him enough time to look at two potential receivers ?

You can't be successfull going 3 wide if your offensive line doesn't give you enough time to go through your progressions.

I know that wasn't the case the entire game (on Talib's 3rd pick I think he had enough time and was probably just staring down Moss) but again all the mistakes he made are correctable.

were you watching the game?

he couldn't even notice if they were open because he wasn't progressing

[Gibbsmeatitle#1]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

were you watching the game?

he couldn't even notice if they were open because he wasn't progressing

Agreed. Still think he's locking in on receivers too much. He's playing hurt and shaken. He also looks like he's thinking too much as opposed to playing. This might be the growing pains, but...At least we won. Here's to Denver putting one on Dallas.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Gibbsmeatitle#1

Agreed. Still think he's locking in on receivers too much. He's playing hurt and shaken. He also looks like he's thinking too much as opposed to playing. This might be the growing pains, but...At least we won. Here's to Denver putting one on Dallas.

I think he is locking on because he doesn't trust those other guys (for good reason. If that is the case we can atleast get ARE back into the fold like he was the first two games. He has disappeared. I think we shoud move Mitchell up since Malcom is not producing. Use Kelly on more third down situations. Its worth a try. Cooley is the only one who is consistent all 4 games. I just think the coaching staff needs to scheme for multiple players on a play and not zone in on Moss. Its like we can't get two receivers going at a time. Not including Cooley.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I think he is locking on because he doesn't trust those other guys (for good reason. If that is the case we can atleast get ARE back into the fold like he was the first two games. He has disappeared. I think we shoud move Mitchell up since Malcom is not producing. Use Kelly on more third down situations. Its worth a try. Cooley is the only one who is consistent all 4 games. I just think the coaching staff needs to scheme for multiple players on a play and not zone in on Moss. Its like we can't get two receivers going at a time. Not including Cooley.

Just watched the Ravens loss to NE, and Flacco has the same issue, focusing in on Mason only. In his defense, Mason dropped 3 balls on the last 3 plays, including a beautifully thrown fade for the go-ahead TD. We desperately need one of the young WRs to step up. Perhaps it is time to give Marco a chance.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Just watched the Ravens loss to NE, and Flacco has the same issue, focusing in on Mason only. In his defense, Mason dropped 3 balls on the last 3 plays, including a beautifully thrown fade for the go-ahead TD. We desperately need one of the young WRs to step up. Perhaps it is time to give Marco a chance.

Exactly. It was preseason but it seemed like he scored a touchdown a game. Like I said its preseason. But obviously he has a nose for the end zone and probably is a lot quicker than Kelly. Which could result in more separation and a easier target for Campbell. I think the coach is scared to ruffle feathers. I would use Kelly on thrid down situations and red zone situations along with Mitchell. But Mitchell seemed a lot crisper in his routes during the preseason. Kelly was good at getting first downs but not a scorign threat.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I think he is locking on because he doesn't trust those other guys (for good reason. If that is the case we can atleast get ARE back into the fold like he was the first two games. He has disappeared. I think we shoud move Mitchell up since Malcom is not producing. Use Kelly on more third down situations. Its worth a try. Cooley is the only one who is consistent all 4 games. I just think the coaching staff needs to scheme for multiple players on a play and not zone in on Moss. Its like we can't get two receivers going at a time. Not including Cooley.

You should move Thomas out before Kelly. Thomas hasn't done anything of value this year. I agree though Mitchell has to get in the game.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You should move Thomas out before Kelly. Thomas hasn't done anything of value this year. I agree though Mitchell has to get in the game.

I would pump Malcom to 4th behing ARE and Devin to fifth and also put devin back on kick returns because we are getting nothing there.

Moss
Mitchell
ARE
Kelly
Thomas

Malcom is not playing well. He has good hands but doesn't create separation like he should. The rap on him ws he was slow. Maybe there is some truth to this.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

were you watching the game?

he couldn't even notice if they were open because he wasn't progressing

No I wasn't watching the game. Are you serious?

I'm clearly aware that he was staring down receivers but that wasn't the entire case. In case you failed to notice the offensive line wasn't exactly picking up Tampa Bay's d the entire game. Time for me to ask if you were watching the game? They were getting pressure on him.

It's not just JC. It's JC, the o-line, the wide receivers aren't getting open. Why do you think the backs and tight ends had so many receptions? When nothing's opening up that's where he goes with the ball.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mooby

No I wasn't watching the game. Are you serious?

I'm clearly aware that he was staring down receivers but that wasn't the entire case. In case you failed to notice the offensive line wasn't exactly picking up Tampa Bay's d the entire game. Time for me to ask if you were watching the game? They were getting pressure on him.

It's not just JC. It's JC, the o-line, the wide receivers aren't getting open. Why do you think the backs and tight ends had so many receptions? When nothing's opening up that's where he goes with the ball.

more the reason to make quicker reads

[mooby]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

more the reason to make quicker reads

Do you really think he can go through his progressions in the 2 1/2 seconds before the pocket breaks down? Plays do need time to develop. We obviously aren't a quick strike kinda team where we can just attack right off the snap and move the ball quickly down the field.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you really think he can go through his progressions in the 2 1/2 seconds before the pocket breaks down? Plays do need time to develop. We obviously aren't a quick strike kinda team where we can just attack right off the snap and move the ball quickly down the field.

you're right, we don't run a west coast offense

please educate me further i so dumb

[mooby]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

you're right, we don't run a west coast offense

please educate me further i so dumb

Do you think we really run a true west coast scheme? With Buges and Portis this offense may use the WCO as a prototype but we don't run the ball like a true WCO.

But please, since you are so obviously sure of exactly what type of offense ours could be classified as please continue to throw your knowledge upon me. Educate me for once about exactly what the problem is.

Because my entire point is that the offense' problems lie beyond poor decision making by JC. Are you saying that the offensive line played like an elite unit and gave JC plenty of time to read progressions and make the good throw? Inform me .

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you think we really run a true west coast scheme? With Buges and Portis this offense may use the WCO as a prototype but we don't run the ball like a true WCO.

But please, since you are so obviously sure of exactly what type of offense ours could be classified as please continue to throw your knowledge upon me. Educate me for once about exactly what the problem is.

Because my entire point is that the offense' problems lie beyond poor decision making by JC. Are you saying that the offensive line played like an elite unit and gave JC plenty of time to read progressions and make the good throw? Inform me .

Did you make total assumptions without me even hinting or implying about what you just completely made up there?

If so it's not worth my effort.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you think we really run a true west coast scheme? With Buges and Portis this offense may use the WCO as a prototype but we don't run the ball like a true WCO.

But please, since you are so obviously sure of exactly what type of offense ours could be classified as please continue to throw your knowledge upon me. Educate me for once about exactly what the problem is.

Because my entire point is that the offense' problems lie beyond poor decision making by JC. Are you saying that the offensive line played like an elite unit and gave JC plenty of time to read progressions and make the good throw? Inform me .

I am not a definitely not one who can break down specific offensive plays. But does the WCO, at times, line up 3-4 WRs to give the RB better runs by spreading out the defense. Do we ever do this? I am just asking a question not being a samrt ass at all. Can anyone answer this question and tell me if we have been doing this at all?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you really think he can go through his progressions in the 2 1/2 seconds before the pocket breaks down? Plays do need time to develop. We obviously aren't a quick strike kinda team where we can just attack right off the snap and move the ball quickly down the field.

Excellent point which some don't realize. We may have 3-4 receivers on the play and less than 3 seconds to go through a progression. I think sometimes JC gets excited when he does get time because he is not used to it..lmao