Redskins hire offensive consultant

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don't think Fred is/was a mistake. He will eventually produce, I'm waiting for him Kelly and Thomas to also get of their butts. I think they will very soon.

I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd, but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd, but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.

True. Maybe in Vinny's eyes he was the best player available at that time.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd, but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.

Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

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Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.

I read somewhere yesterday (sorry I can't remember where and provide the link) that one of the problems with JC/our passing game is that his lack of trust in the OL is such that he's moving too quickly thru his progressions (as opposed to the 'he locks onto receivers' criticism) which leads to quick checkdowns and missing open receivers.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I read somewhere yesterday (sorry I can't remember where and provide the link) that one of the problems with JC/our passing game is that his lack of trust in the OL is such that he's moving too quickly thru his progressions (as opposed to the 'he locks onto receivers' criticism) which leads to quick checkdowns and missing open receivers.

that's an interesting point. That first sack/fumble was just as much or more on JC as the o line. He stepped up in the pocket but did so too quickly considering he didn't get rid of it. He could've stayed behind his blockers a second or two longer. I see why Zorn said he should've run it, cause he stepped right into the pressure.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

that's an interesting point. That first sack/fumble was just as much or more on JC as the o line. He stepped up in the pocket but did so too quickly considering he didn't get rid of it. He could've stayed behind his blockers a second or two longer. I see why Zorn said he should've run it, cause he stepped right into the pressure.

Well I am sure he was taught to step us since there was a big issue with him fumbling in the game against the Giants because he didn't step up. I think JC is not getting clear direction and on the other hand he does not have the freedom to think for himself. He has to think too much -- instead of letting him go out there and use his instincts. If I was him I would dump it off to Cooley also. But what makes some people think that "at times" Cooley isn't the best option when our best receiver is getting double teamed and the other WRs are not creating separation. Also if he doesn't have time then he is going to rush things. But its a combination of a few things. This is exactly why Sherm Lewis was brought in to find out what the issue is with our offense.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

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Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.

Good point. I definitely was okay with him picking the best available player in the draft at first. But now it doesn't make sense. We better load up on OLs this draft and a RB and get a linebacker in free agency. Let's concentrate on positions of need. If we get a linebacker in free agency maybe we can put Orakpo on the line.

So everyone is talking about getting a QB in the draft. We need to use one of our first to picks on OLs. Maybe we can cut a deal for another pick so we can get a QB. Hope someone slips into our hands because of injury. i.e, Bradford. If we don't draft OLs it would be best to get Mike Vick. At least he can scarmble well..lol. That's a joke about getting Mike Vick. Maybe. We will see how he does the rest of the season. Also remember Philly is just his stepping stone and now that DS has seen that there hasn't been a lot of heat. I bet he will be salivating to check him out. Even if he does draft a QB. There is going to be a lot of things going on with this team because of the uncapped season going on. But as for now. Let's hope JC suceeds despite the doubters. If not we have to evaulate our next Qb thoroughly whether it is in the draft, free agency or a trade. Because if not we will run them out of town quickly if they dont become a pro bowler by their second year as a starter. Maybe sooner.