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[BigHairedAristocrat]

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

I really don't see Parcells coming here.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I really don't see Parcells coming here.

I don't either. I would presume he's happy in Miami, but "if" he did decide to come back to the NFC East I truly wonder how he would get a long with Snyder?

I hope,,,I truly hope that "if" DS is leaning toward firing Zorn when ever that time is..."if" it happens, I hope DS takes a look at himself also and makes some drastic changes across the board.

1) Go into rebuild mode, maybe not cap next yr so get rid of the overhead.
2) Hire a football GM/and a proven HC.
3) Completely step back, write the checks, and enjoy the game on Sun in his press box with friends....maybe he'll see a SB.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't either. I would presume he's happy in Miami, but "if" he did decide to come back to the NFC East I truly wonder how he would get a long with Snyder?

I hope,,,I truly hope that "if" DS is leaning toward firing Zorn when ever that time is..."if" it happens, I hope DS takes a look at himself also and makes some drastic changes across the board.

1) Go into rebuild mode, maybe not cap next yr so get rid of the overhead.
2) Hire a football GM/and a proven HC.
3) Completely step back, write the checks, and enjoy the game on Sun in his press box with friends....maybe he'll see a SB.

Exactly -- I'd be cool with it even if he wanted to hang out in the War Room on draft day; just as long as he stays quiet.

Only a 3 or 4 win season will make Lil' Danny see the light for 1. and 2. to happen. If they're able to snag 7, 8, or 9 wins, that would only fool Lil' Danny into thinking that 'we're almost there...' and nothing will ever change around here.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I really don't see Parcells coming here.

Its the NFC-East. If Parcells decides he wants to leave Miami, I can't see a better situation for him to come in and repair. It would certainly be great for his legacy.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its the NFC-East. If Parcells decides he wants to leave Miami, I can't see a better situation for him to come in and repair. It would certainly be great for his legacy.

You don't? Detroit, Oakland after Al Davis keels over, the options for him to repair bad teams are all over the place.

He'd never work for Snyder. And being in the NFC East won't endear him to us.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You don't? Detroit, Oakland after Al Davis keels over, the options for him to repair bad teams are all over the place.

He'd never work for Snyder. And being in the NFC East won't endear him to us.

I don't think Al Davis dies. I think he stays around till he's about 200 years old just to make Oakland fans miserable. I mean he's already like half way there, right?

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't think Al Davis dies. I think he stays around till he's about 200 years old just to make Oakland fans miserable. I mean he's already like half way there, right?

That's only horrible because it's so close to the truth. Al Davis has the brain of a spazzed out lab monkey that's been huffing spray paint cans all day.

Seriously though, I fell out of my chair laughing.

Bravo.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You don't? Detroit, Oakland after Al Davis keels over, the options for him to repair bad teams are all over the place.

He'd never work for Snyder. And being in the NFC East won't endear him to us.

All over the place? You just named two. And last I checked, Al Davis isn't dead and Parcells is pretty old himself. Parcells doesnt have time to wait around if he wants to go to another team. Detroit just got a new GM last year, so they wont be making a change any time soon. Detroit and Oakland will never have the prestige of being in the NFC-East, the place where Parcells spent most of his glory years. If you ask me, the #1 team on Parcells list would be washington, so long as Snyder stayed out of his way and he had total control.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

All over the place? You just named two. And last I checked, Al Davis isn't dead and Parcells is pretty old himself. Parcells doesnt have time to wait around if he wants to go to another team. Detroit just got a new GM last year, so they wont be making a change any time soon. Detroit and Oakland will never have the prestige of being in the NFC-East, the place where Parcells spent most of his glory years. If you ask me, the #1 team on Parcells list would be washington, so long as Snyder stayed out of his way and he had total control.

Yeah, I named two. You want me to go through the entire list of bad teams?

Fine.

St. Louis. Tampa Bay. Carolina. Buffalo. Jacksonville. Cleveland. Cincinnati. Kansas City.

Is that good enough? There are more who are teetering, middle of the pack, and could use a change-up. Dan Snyder is far more valuable to Bill Parcells as someone he can snooker 2nd round picks out of for washed up has-beens anyway. Why work for Snyder when you can use his draft picks to bolster your team?

And I said Al Davis *** after *** he keels over.

Look man, it's not happening. Forget it.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

Bottom line is that if the Skins really want to turn things around, they need a new coach, new GM and a new QB. Barring a miracle, there will at least be a new coach and QB. Hopefully, they come to their senses and bundle in a real GM.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

Mine:
1) Schottenheimer/Brian Schottenheimer
2) Schottenheimer/Cowher
3) ?/Shanahan
4)Holmgren/?

I just like M.Schottenheimer's scouting and won't take any crap attitude, and Brian Schottenheimer appears to know what he's doing since he's turned the Jets around in yards and scoring. Cowher has worked with Schottenheimer before and think they might be able to put something good together. I know Shanahan was a decent coach but I wonder how much of it was he had great Asst. Coach's helping him. Could he bring those people to DC? Holmgren.....I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling. Although he took Seatle to the play offs he struggled his last few yrs. What that reason is I'm not sure but it worries me that our problems we have now with some of the primadana attitudes might carry over with him somehow associated with the team. I guess if he was brought in as GM he would not have as much hands on which I guess could be ok. So who would be his HC? Cowher? I don't think they run come from the same tree and could they get along? Maybe Holmgren/Gruden. Atleast they would understand each other and know what talent is needed to run their Scheme.

^Sorry I was thinking out loud.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Mine:
1) Schottenheimer/Brian Schottenheimer
2) Schottenheimer/Cowher
3) ?/Shanahan
4)Holmgren/?

I just like M.Schottenheimer's scouting and won't take any crap attitude, and Brian Schottenheimer appears to know what he's doing since he's turned the Jets around in yards and scoring. Cowher has worked with Schottenheimer before and think they might be able to put something good together. I know Shanahan was a decent coach but I wonder how much of it was he had great Asst. Coach's helping him. Could he bring those people to DC? Holmgren.....I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling. Although he took Seatle to the play offs he struggled his last few yrs. What that reason is I'm not sure but it worries me that our problems we have now with some of the primadana attitudes might carry over with him somehow associated with the team. I guess if he was brought in as GM he would not have as much hands on which I guess could be ok. So who would be his HC? Cowher? I don't think they run come from the same tree and could they get along? Maybe Holmgren/Gruden. Atleast they would understand each other and know what talent is needed to run their Scheme.

^Sorry I was thinking out loud.

I like Shottenheimer alot as well. Honestly, the best chance of success this organization ever had before was when Shottenheimer was in charge. I honestly think this organization is coming to a cross-roads. The economy is bad, so that, coupled the skins suing their fans over tickets and a decade of disfunction may actually motivate fans to get snyder where it hurts - his wallet. If i'm not mistaken, we had close to a record-low attendance at last Sundays game. Snyder seems oblivous to the fact that the way he's been running things is the root of the franchises problem. I really get the feeling that his eyes are about to be opened.