Slingin Sammy 33's - Bucs Game Review

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

CP is stumbling, correct? It's a problem, correct? As far as telling him how to run, I'm just saying for him to stay on his feet until some legit contact.

My background is irrelevant. The analysis is either good or it's not. By your logic, the only folks who can comment on a QB's play are folks who have played QB in the NFL. That effectively eliminates over 95% of the sports media. If you think the review is garbage, don't read the thread.

I'm w/Sammy on this. Great job of analyzing the details that are so hard to watch on tv as the game is played. Your analysis of JC kinda scares me; I've been defending him for the most part, but I agree it seems he's regressing in some ways in a year he should be in top form.

As for having to be a pro to analyze the pros; how many great players have been either terrible coaches or analysts themselves? Lots. Just because someone played the game, doesn't mean they have the ability to disect the details & articulate the nuances. Just listen to some of these guys talk!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Your analysis of JC kinda scares me; I've been defending him for the most part, but I agree it seems he's regressing in some ways in a year he should be in top form.

We're on the same page. I've been a strong advocate of JC's and to see these things happening was unexpected to me and very concerning. Hopefully with some help from Lewis/Zorn he can get back on track over the next 3 games.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

We're on the same page. I've been a strong advocate of JC's and to see these things happening was unexpected to me and very concerning. Hopefully with some help from Lewis/Zorn he can get back on track over the next 3 games.

I didn't see anything in the Tampa game that suggested a regression. Rather, that my expectations for his future might have simply been out of whack.

I saw a lot of inaccurate passes. Underthrown balls, balls thrown behind receivers specifically. I did not see a plethora of bad reads. One or two maybe, but that's standard risk, every quarterback every game. The difference here was the bad decision rate for Campbell was higher than normal, because he didn't throw as much. But I'm guessing that's just a sample size issue.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I saw a lot of inaccurate passes. Underthrown balls, balls thrown behind receivers specifically. I did not see a plethora of bad reads. One or two maybe, but that's standard risk, every quarterback every game. The difference here was the bad decision rate for Campbell was higher than normal, because he didn't throw as much. But I'm guessing that's just a sample size issue.

The two deep INTs (Kelly & Moss) were poor throws, the same type of throw that JC missed Kelly on for a TD in the Rams game. The deep passes he's throwing aren't improving at all, he's making the same mistake with placement and depth of the throw. The guy has a cannon for an arm, I'd rather see him overthrow guys, than underthrow them.

On the INT to Moss, this was a major bad read, and someone who was at the game posted the same thing, that Kelly was wide open down the middle of the field. A simple look-off and back to Kelly would've resulted in a big play.

What I've seen the past two weeks (especially this week) when JC drops back, he's locking on the primary right away and only coming off to the checkdown (if he checks off at all) without looking at a second or third option. His head movement gives no indication that he's scanning the field or trying to influence the DBs away from where he wants to go with the ball.

As to the sample size issue, I think in the second half the coaches were dialing up plays to not put JC in the position, unless necessary, where he needed to do anything other than deliver the ball to a primary receiver. I think the two TDs were more of a good playcall, or defensive breakdown, rather than JC making anything other than a good throw.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The two deep INTs (Kelly & Moss) were poor throws, the same type of throw that JC missed Kelly on for a TD in the Rams game. The deep passes he's throwing aren't improving at all, he's making the same mistake with placement and depth of the throw. The guy has a cannon for an arm, I'd rather see him overthrow guys, than underthrow them.

On the INT to Moss, this was a major bad read, and someone who was at the game posted the same thing, that Kelly was wide open down the middle of the field. A simple look-off and back to Kelly would've resulted in a big play.

What I've seen the past two weeks (especially this week) when JC drops back, he's locking on the primary right away and only coming off to the checkdown (if he checks off at all) without looking at a second or third option. His head movement gives no indication that he's scanning the field or trying to influence the DBs away from where he wants to go with the ball.

As to the sample size issue, I think in the second half the coaches were dialing up plays to not put JC in the position, unless necessary, where he needed to do anything other than deliver the ball to a primary receiver. I think the two TDs were more of a good playcall, or defensive breakdown, rather than JC making anything other than a good throw.

Yea that was me. That was so sick. It's the throws like those ones that make you a star or a backup in this league.

JC needs to step it up. I believe he can do it but damn, he better do it fast.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What I've seen the past two weeks (especially this week) when JC drops back, he's locking on the primary right away and only coming off to the checkdown (if he checks off at all) without looking at a second or third option. His head movement gives no indication that he's scanning the field or trying to influence the DBs away from where he wants to go with the ball.

Yep, this has been going on for awhile, not just this season either. If he knows where he's going no matter what and can't read he has to fool the DBs by starting elsewhere, pump fakes both to and away from the receiver to indicate another route, etc

like on the first drive I believe when Portis went out.. he was looking at Portis pretty much the whole time out of the backfield.. staring him down till the point he wanted to throw it