Do you expect Zorn to be fired

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

I felt this way when Zorn was initially hired, and what has transpired these last 21 games with him at the helm has only reinforced my beliefs. Hiring Jim Zorn as HC was a massive mistake. The whole way that Snyder and Cerrato went about the hiring, with hiring him as OC first and then promoting to HC, was a colossal failure. Zorn clearly is not ready to be a HC in this league. Management needs to cut their losses and admit what a huge mistake they made by hiring him in the first place.

Management IS the problem. The coaching and the player personnel issues are just the symptoms of a much bigger problem that is our FO.
It is time for the fire Vinny signs at the stadium.

I may come up for a game just so I can raise a fire Vinny sign at the game. It is time.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Management IS the problem. The coaching and the player personnel issues are just the symptoms of a much bigger problem that is our FO.
It is time for the fire Vinny signs at the stadium.

I may come up for a game just so I can raise a fire Vinny sign at the game. It is time.

I agree with you 100%. But you and I both know that Snyder and Cerrato aren't going anywhere.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Management IS the problem. The coaching and the player personnel issues are just the symptoms of a much bigger problem that is our FO.
It is time for the fire Vinny signs at the stadium.

I may come up for a game just so I can raise a fire Vinny sign at the game. It is time.

abso-(^##&^*&($%-lutely.

[NCCU1984]

I think Russ Grimm should be the next head coach, if Zorn is fired. We need a fresh start. Tired of old recycled coaches. We need new front office personnel as well that know what they are doing.

[irish]

Originally Posted by NCCU1984

I think Russ Grimm should be the next head coach, if Zorn is fired. We need a fresh start. Tired of old recycled coaches. We need new front office personnel as well that know what they are doing.

Its hard to get more fresh than Zorn was when he was hired.

I think Zorn will finish out the season and depending on how the team finishes he might just stay. If they finish 4-12 then he's gone, 8-8 he stays. This team just doesnt have the talent on O so I really dont think any coach could come in here and do much better with what he'd have to work with.

[Longtimefan]

This team has so many areas of dysfunction, firing the coach is just a small beginning to what really needs to be done to get this team back on track. Some players should be looking over their shoulders as well.

[TheSmurfs22]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This team has so many areas of dysfunction, firing the coach is just a small beginning to what really needs to be done to get this team back on track. Some players should be looking over their shoulders as well.

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Agreed. Bringing in another coach is not going to solve this problem. It is time to clean house in the locker room and in the front office.

[skinsfan0201]

You know what, I don't even think the question should be surrounding Zorn, when the real problem is the owner and his managing cronies (i.e. Vinnie Cerrato) at the root of the problem. As fans and people who live in this area, there should be some sort of check and balance system for owners who mismanage the area team. It is a disgrace to have such an aweful owner as a representative for this team. A person who creates such a toxic environment and mettles to no end. No one of quality will ever want to coach here as long as he behaves as terribly.

On a personal note, my sister went to school with a niece of Bill Parcells, who said that he was contacted several times by Daniel Snyder back in the early 2000's, around 2002-2003 and she said that he would not touch a team owned by Daniel Snyder with a ten foot pole point blank.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

You know what, I don't even think the question should be surrounding Zorn, when the real problem is the owner and his managing cronies (i.e. Vinnie Cerrato) at the root of the problem. As fans and people who live in this area, there should be some sort of check and balance system for owners who mismanage the area team. It is a disgrace to have such an aweful owner as a representative for this team. A person who creates such a toxic environment and mettles to no end. No one of quality will ever want to coach here as long as he behaves as terribly.

On a personal note, my sister went to school with a niece of Bill Parcells, who said that he was contacted several times by Daniel Snyder back in the early 2000's, around 2002-2003 and she said that he would not touch a team owned by Daniel Snyder with a ten foot pole point blank.

Would you?

[skinsfan0201]

I certainly would not! Therefore I could not blame anyone who would not coach this team as well. I just feel sorry for the players and coaches, and I still root for them, because they are still my favorite team! Screw the owner and management.

Sorry to be so bitter, just how I feel at the moment and have to blow off some steam. The Danny never learns.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

You know what, I don't even think the question should be surrounding Zorn, when the real problem is the owner and his managing cronies (i.e. Vinnie Cerrato) at the root of the problem. As fans and people who live in this area, there should be some sort of check and balance system for owners who mismanage the area team. It is a disgrace to have such an aweful owner as a representative for this team. A person who creates such a toxic environment and mettles to no end. No one of quality will ever want to coach here as long as he behaves as terribly.

On a personal note, my sister went to school with a niece of Bill Parcells, who said that he was contacted several times by Daniel Snyder back in the early 2000's, around 2002-2003 and she said that he would not touch a team owned by Daniel Snyder with a ten foot pole point blank.

I don't doubt the story but is it really necessary to have "inside info" that a guy like Parcells would never work for Snyder? Nobody real smart, unless they're simply looking for the giant paycheck, will work for lil Danny. I will be truly shocked if an legit coach outside Shanahan comes to Washington...truly shocked. BTW i think Shanahan is a more or less a loser coach now. He couldn't do anything in Denver and look what McDaniels has done w/ arguably less talent on the roster!

[skinsfan0201]

I completely am in agreement, though I just had to state the obvious once again.

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't doubt the story but is it really necessary to have "inside info" that a guy like Parcells would never work for Snyder? Nobody real smart, unless they're simply looking for the giant paycheck, will work for lil Danny. I will be truly shocked if an legit coach outside Shanahan comes to Washington...truly shocked. BTW i think Shanahan is a more or less a loser coach now. He couldn't do anything in Denver and look what McDaniels has done w/ arguably less talent on the roster!

[skinsguy]

Man, I am just so sick with the situation this team is in. The bad thing is, I am not even surprised. The Redskins are in a no win situation either way. If Zorn stays the whole season, I honestly don't have any faith in him turning things around. If he's fired midway through, we have given up on the season.

The only thing that would make me happy is for Snyder to sell the team and take Vinny with him.

[wordsmithgk]

yes the firing of zorn would be an admission that the front office made a mistake in hiring him in the first place is snyder willing to admit any of his failings?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by wordsmithgk

yes the firing of zorn would be an admission that the front office made a mistake in hiring him in the first place is snyder willing to admit any of his failings?

He dosen't view his lack acomplishments as failings. He thinks what he's doing is right, remember he said if it ain't broke, don't fix it.