Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?

[REDSKINS1980]

how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.

Agreed, we run the same plays over and over and Zorn & CO have zero imagination BUT, the O-Line has been pathetic thus far in run and Pass blocking.

Wanna know why Kyle Orton is having such success? He gets more than 2.1 seconds to make a read and throw the ball. I'm not putting it all on the O-Line, JC has made bad throws and decisions all year but I think he would do a little better if he could get some blocking and a little run game, huh?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.

Cooley couldn't run any patterns bc the o-line sucked so bad we had to let our most reliable option block all game. Plus run that same play isn't on JC that is Zorn's doing he calls the plays.

[REDSKINS1980]

totally agree with you, the running game has been pathetic, but sellers has not been pushing as he did in the previous years. the offensive line is blocking to the designed plays. think about the screen plays we ran over and over yesterday. it is a 3 step drop pass and go. those plays are not designed to block for a long amount of time.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

totally agree with you, the running game has been pathetic, but sellers has not been pushing as he did in the previous years. the offensive line is blocking to the designed plays. think about the screen plays we ran over and over yesterday. it is a 3 step drop pass and go. those plays are not designed to block for a long amount of time.

Say what want about JC but he won the TB game throwing the deep ball winning touchdown. Why did we throw only one deep ball all game? Was it play calling or the fact that our line wouldn't hold up. Either way that is not going to win games point blank. The three step drop pass isn't going to cut it. Throw the deep ball at least to keep the defense honest.

[REDSKINS1980]

yes we do lack the deep ball, but think about it. we all know the deep ball usually goes only to santana. santana is way more effective when he crosses the middle, because as he is spied. that leaves cooley open to the flats. they have to spread the ball. that is the only way the running game will open up, and allow a play for a deep pass.

[Bill B]

As far as picks next year lets say a new salary cap does get into place with a new collective bargaining agreement - with our current salary cap strcuture can we even afford a top 5 pick - whether it be a lineman or qb? I know that trading a pick takes two sides but I think if a salary cap is in place next year we may not have a choice in keeping that pick even if it means not getting fair value by trading down - there are consequences when you give massive contracts to big time free agents.

As far as which position I prefer to build the offensive line and do it via the draft and maybe pick one or two players via free agency - although with our cap I don't really know if this is viable since all decent offensive lineman command big salaries.

Lets try to learn from history here guys - one of the main reasons we won 3 superbowls was because of the hogs - once we get that unit up to speed the other parts can be put into place.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Bill B

As far as picks next year lets say a new salary cap does get into place with a new collective bargaining agreement - with our current salary cap strcuture can we even afford a top 5 pick - whether it be a lineman or qb? I know that trading a pick takes two sides but I think if a salary cap is in place next year we may not have a choice in keeping that pick even if it means not getting fair value by trading down - there are consequences when you give massive contracts to big time free agents.

As far as which position I prefer to build the offensive line and do it via the draft and maybe pick one or two players via free agency - although with our cap I don't really know if this is viable since all decent offensive lineman command big salaries.

Lets try to learn from history here guys - one of the main reasons we won 3 superbowls was because of the hogs - once we get that unit up to speed the other parts can be put into place.

That is a good question but QB still makes no sense without o-line help from somewhere

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Bill B

As far as picks next year lets say a new salary cap does get into place with a new collective bargaining agreement - with our current salary cap strcuture can we even afford a top 5 pick - whether it be a lineman or qb? I know that trading a pick takes two sides but I think if a salary cap is in place next year we may not have a choice in keeping that pick even if it means not getting fair value by trading down - there are consequences when you give massive contracts to big time free agents.

As far as which position I prefer to build the offensive line and do it via the draft and maybe pick one or two players via free agency - although with our cap I don't really know if this is viable since all decent offensive lineman command big salaries.

Lets try to learn from history here guys - one of the main reasons we won 3 superbowls was because of the hogs - once we get that unit up to speed the other parts can be put into place.

Don't worry about the cap. Working magic around it is Vinny's only strong suit, besides the seventh round.

[saden1]

Get the f*ck out of here!!! Is this a serious question?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by saden1

Get the f*ck out of here!!! Is this a serious question?

How many of you watched Vince Young destroy USC in the Rose Bowl? How many of you thought VY was going to suck in the NFL? Hey VY is what he is a athlete that plays QB. Im not saying I wanted Vince for JC but some many people bash JC and dont take in consideration how trashed his O-Line is.

People want JC gone so I asked Who do you want then. You want to spend a 1st round pick on a college QB or find a Back up QB on some other teams roster. Good teams don't have franchise QB's sitting on the bench. We would be better off keeping JC and drafting Lineman next draft than drafting a QB with our #1 pick. Prior post some fans said we should pick Bradford out Oklahoma, ok but will still have a sh*t O-Line. JC can be a solid QB if we can run the ball and play good defense. He is no Peyton or Tom Brady but niether was Rex Grossman and they made it to the Super Bowl.

So settled down Saden and read some prior posts on here. If not go shut the hell up.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

How many of you watched Vince Young destroy USC in the Rose Bowl? How many of you thought VY was going to suck in the NFL? Hey VY is what he is a athlete that plays QB. Im not saying I wanted Vince for JC but some many people bash JC and dont take in consideration how trashed his O-Line is.

People want JC gone so I asked Who do you want then. You want to spend a 1st round pick on a college QB or find a Back up QB on some other teams roster. Good teams don't have franchise QB's sitting on the bench. We would be better off keeping JC and drafting Lineman next draft than drafting a QB with our #1 pick. Prior post some fans said we should pick Bradford out Oklahoma, ok but will still have a sh*t O-Line. JC can be a solid QB if we can run the ball and play good defense. He is no Peyton or Tom Brady but niether was Rex Grossman and they made it to the Super Bowl.

So settled down Saden and read some prior posts on here. If not go shut the hell up.

You sound awfully defensive because people don't agree with your question. We had the Vince Young debate here a looong time ago before JC was getting trashed on as QB. Technically your question is a rehash. But like SS said, maybe that's due to poor phrasing.

The Skins O-Line is trashed, but the Skins were playing shitty BEFORE the O-Line was trashed. Btw, Rex Grossman had a decent supporting cast and a pretty good, consistent defense that launched them into the playoffs.

[mcarey032]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

How many of you watched Vince Young destroy USC in the Rose Bowl? How many of you thought VY was going to suck in the NFL? Hey VY is what he is a athlete that plays QB. Im not saying I wanted Vince for JC but some many people bash JC and dont take in consideration how trashed his O-Line is.

People want JC gone so I asked Who do you want then. You want to spend a 1st round pick on a college QB or find a Back up QB on some other teams roster. Good teams don't have franchise QB's sitting on the bench. We would be better off keeping JC and drafting Lineman next draft than drafting a QB with our #1 pick. Prior post some fans said we should pick Bradford out Oklahoma, ok but will still have a sh*t O-Line. JC can be a solid QB if we can run the ball and play good defense. He is no Peyton or Tom Brady but niether was Rex Grossman and they made it to the Super Bowl.

So settled down Saden and read some prior posts on here. If not go shut the hell up.

I have to agree with you on this one Moss, because my answer to any question is if you are going to make a change then who are you going to get or put in that is better than what you have already? Your answer is right. Franchise type players don't often hit the open market and they don't really sit the bench. I wouldn't mind giving Campbell another year, but I know that his time here is done because the ownership has decided that. It is their own fault that they couldn't land Sanchez or Cutler. Since when don't they pony up for players that they really like? They usually would overpay with money or draft picks.

The reason that they didn't pony up is because they knew that they had to get some defensive help because of the lack of a pass rush. If they got a QB, he would have been killed and there would have been nothing little Danny could have done but watch as his precious new QB gets thrown to the ground because the offensive line that he and Cerrato have built throughout the years got that QB injured.

To me, there is no alternative but keep Campbell ink him to a deal. Draft a Qb if they want to in the second round to push Campbell and draft a lineman in the first round and third round. The QB will push Campbell for playing time and the ability to motivate. The lineman will hopefully be the start of rebuilding a depleted offensive line that has been ignored for far too long.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by mcarey032

I have to agree with you on this one Moss, because my answer to any question is if you are going to make a change then who are you going to get or put in that is better than what you have already? Your answer is right. Franchise type players don't often hit the open market and they don't really sit the bench. I wouldn't mind giving Campbell another year, but I know that his time here is done because the ownership has decided that. It is their own fault that they couldn't land Sanchez or Cutler. Since when don't they pony up for players that they really like? They usually would overpay with money or draft picks.

The reason that they didn't pony up is because they knew that they had to get some defensive help because of the lack of a pass rush. If they got a QB, he would have been killed and there would have been nothing little Danny could have done but watch as his precious new QB gets thrown to the ground because the offensive line that he and Cerrato have built throughout the years got that QB injured.

To me, there is no alternative but keep Campbell ink him to a deal. Draft a Qb if they want to in the second round to push Campbell and draft a lineman in the first round and third round. The QB will push Campbell for playing time and the ability to motivate. The lineman will hopefully be the start of rebuilding a depleted offensive line that has been ignored for far too long.

Hey thanks bro we seem to agree that JC should be given another year or so to see if he plays better with a better O-Line. A Rookie QB is 50-50 as to how he is going to perform. We have to focus on the O-Line for 2010 Draft.

[Hog1]

Hmmm...JC or VY?
Would you rather be shot in the head or the balls?