Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)

hooskins · 10-12-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Right now this is just the extension of the Gibbs 2.0, for the most part this team is what Gibbs built, esipically on offense.

Are you taking about the players or the offensive plays? Sure the run game is quite similar, but it worked a hell of a lot better with Gibbs. Also minus the two-timeout botch, Gibbs did a pretty good job in management.

Also he kept a team together, after a couple terrible starts; I highly doubt Zorn has that ability. If we lose next week the players are going to start giving up on him. We can already see the impacts of the lack of discipline both at Skins park and during games.

Yeah Gibbs player eval did have some flaws, but he got Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor. I put a decent amount of blame on the FO this year, but Gibbs 2.0 owns Zorn any day IMO.

GridIron26 · 10-12-2009, 09:18 AM

Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn..

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..

hooskins · 10-12-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn..

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and the game just showed it.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..

Obviously he is no Peyton, but he clearly can be a pretty good QB. I just feel sick to my stomach knowing he will be run outta town of this season.

Redskin Warrior · 10-12-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Obviously he is no Peyton, but he clearly can be a pretty good QB. I just feel sick to my stomach knowing he will be run outta town of this season.

We need to keep him in DC next year no matter at least as a backup, i will feel sick when he goes elsewhere and a be productive. Chicago seemed not able to work with Orton shipped him out got him a legit # 1 in Marshall & legit #2 in Royal with Moreno in the backfield 5-0 who needs Cutler. JC played better than Orton last year too.

jgalecpa · 10-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?

Redskin Warrior · 10-12-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?

As a backup i guess vet min or similar to his rookie contract nothing big

GTripp0012 · 10-12-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?

The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.

This would not prevent the Redskins from bringing in outside competition for the job.

jgalecpa · 10-12-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.

Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-13-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.

This would not prevent the Redskins from bringing in outside competition for the job.

IF it's a uncapped season. I would totally do this. I would keep Campbell for emergency purposes. Let Collin old ass go. If Colt shows us some discipline in preseason keep him and then draft a QB. Problem with that is we need OLs. I would get a free agent OL and Draft a QB with your first pick (Bradford - if not I would get a OL with the first). The rest OL and maybe pick up a sleeper RB with your last pick. We'd have to sign a free agent LB also. But someone who produces and can take Orakpo's spot. Because he can't cover ish!!

skinsfan69 · 10-12-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?

I think we should sign him to a 2 year deal and then bring in some competition. Anyone know the status of Kevin Kolb's contract?

jgalecpa · 10-12-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..

I dunno.

My quibble with the QB rating systems is their is no allowance for fumbles.

If you count a fumble the same as an interception, than JC's rating drops from 88.5 for all 2009 to a lowly 65.8.

GTripp0012 · 10-12-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

I dunno.

My quibble with the QB rating systems is their is no allowance for fumbles.

If you count a fumble the same as an interception, than JC's rating drops from 88.5 for all 2009 to a lowly 65.8.

But it would also drop the average QB rating into the 68.0-74.0 range. It's not like he would be the only quarterback who fumbles.

Campbell's year has not been quite as good as last year to this point. And that's disappointing, because that's one of the things that us becoming a division winner relied on.

GridIron26 · 10-12-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

I dunno.

My quibble with the QB rating systems is their is no allowance for fumbles.

If you count a fumble the same as an interception, than JC's rating drops from 88.5 for all 2009 to a lowly 65.8.

JC would not fumble often if we have O-line to protect him.. This goes to every QB in the league..

jgalecpa · 10-12-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

JC would not fumble often if we have O-line to protect him.. This goes to every QB in the league..

That's true.

But not every sack need turn into a fumble.

GridIron26 · 10-12-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jgalecpa

But not every sack need turn into a fumble.

Right.. JC was sacked 5 times and he fumbled only once.. If JC fumbled every time he was sacked, then I'm in bandwagon with you but that's not what happened..

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10-12-2009, 09:18 AM	#2
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Age: 38 Posts: 3,779	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers) Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn.. JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..

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