Sources: Gruden the front runner

[BigHairedAristocrat]

On ESPN980 today, Kevin was speculating that Holmgren as GM and Gruden as HC would be a great move for the Skins. i wonder how long it will be before someone who heard it, tells a friend, who tells another friend, who then comes on here and says its an actual rumor/report.

This is utterly ridiculous and i'm honestly getting tired of all the rampant speculation. Interestingly, Gruden was on Mike and Mike this morning and told fans not to beleive everything we hear.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

On ESPN980 today, Kevin was speculating that Holmgren as GM and Gruden as HC would be a great move for the Skins. i wonder how long it will be before someone who heard it, tells a friend, who tells another friend, who then comes on here and says its an actual rumor/report.

This is utterly ridiculous and i'm honestly getting tired of all the rampant speculation. Interestingly, Gruden was on Mike and Mike this morning and told fans not to beleive everything we hear.

Totally agree, I'm sorry for putting post up. I honestly did not find it anywhere on other boards or in the news so I thought maybe someone heard it and thought to ask here. Next time I'll waite to see if anyone posts about it first. I was just currious and my computer at work is giving me fits trying to run the video from WPL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

On ESPN980 today, Kevin was speculating that Holmgren as GM and Gruden as HC would be a great move for the Skins. i wonder how long it will be before someone who heard it, tells a friend, who tells another friend, who then comes on here and says its an actual rumor/report.

This is utterly ridiculous and i'm honestly getting tired of all the rampant speculation. Interestingly, Gruden was on Mike and Mike this morning and told fans not to beleive everything we hear.

Yeah I heard him saying this and I think it's a terrible move. MH doesn't have experience in personel. He's a football coach that had those duties stripped from him in Seattle. He doesn't live sleep eat and breathe personel like the Bill Polian or Scott Pioli does. Again Snyder needs to go out and find a true hard core personel man first.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah I heard him saying this and I think it's a terrible move. MH doesn't have experience in personel. He's a football coach that had those duties stripped from him in Seattle. He doesn't live sleep eat and breathe personel like the Bill Polian or Scott Pioli does. Again Snyder needs to go out and find a true hard core personel man first.

I like the next guy would like a proven GM. No doubt, but do you think some of MH problems were he was taking on too much work? I have never liked the idea of a HC also taking a front office job cause I have to imagine splitting time would be difficult and might interfier with each job. I think MH is good at evaluating talent because he was a head coach and knows what to look for in a player in each position. Also putting him at GM would most likely help in getting the players Gruden would need. MH knows the system Gruden would be implimenting and know what players would work well in it. I don't have a problem with the owner picking a HC first so long as the GM is well versed in what ever style, ie; WCO, the HC is running in order to pick up the talent needed to get the system to work properly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I like the next guy would like a proven GM. No doubt, but do you think some of MH problems were he was taking on too much work? I have never liked the idea of a HC also taking a front office job cause I have to imagine splitting time would be difficult and might interfier with each job. I think MH is good at evaluating talent because he was a head coach and knows what to look for in a player in each position. Also putting him at GM would most likely help in getting the players Gruden would need. MH knows the system Gruden would be implimenting and know what players would work well in it. I don't have a problem with the owner picking a HC first so long as the GM is well versed in what ever style, ie; WCO, the HC is running in order to pick up the talent needed to get the system to work properly.

I'm not sure what his problems were. All I know is he's not an NFL personel guy and that's all I need to know. This isn't the place for him to be GM. If he would come here and coach then fine...I'm all for it as long as there is a guy who knows the inner ropes of personel above him, and has final say over him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah I heard him saying this and I think it's a terrible move. MH doesn't have experience in personel. He's a football coach that had those duties stripped from him in Seattle. He doesn't live sleep eat and breathe personel like the Bill Polian or Scott Pioli does. Again Snyder needs to go out and find a true hard core personel man first.

He took it from Chris Mortenson, who speculated a few weeks ago that he could see that combination returning together to the NFL. My thought on that is is each would command a lot of money so really only two teams would make such a bid...Dallas or Washington.

I wouldn't be opposed to Holmgren as President. I don't think his problem in Seattle was so much his personnel acumen it was handling that and coaching, if he just does one that would be ok I think.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He took it from Chris Mortenson, who speculated a few weeks ago that he could see that combination returning together to the NFL. My thought on that is is each would command a lot of money so really only two teams would make such a bid...Dallas or Washington.

I wouldn't be opposed to Holmgren as President. I don't think his problem in Seattle was so much his personnel acumen it was handling that and coaching, if he just does one that would be ok I think.

I hear you....but I just don't understand why we don't have someone like a Bill Polian. We spend all this money on players yet we have Vinny Cerrato as the GM w/out the title. As I said I want a guy that truly knows the ropes of NFL and college scouting and I don't think that's Mike H. But as a HC I think he's EXACTLY what we need on the sidelines.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I hear you....but I just don't understand why we don't have someone like a Bill Polian. We spend all this money on players yet we have Vinny Cerrato as the GM w/out the title. As I said I want a guy that truly knows the ropes of NFL and college scouting and I don't think that's Mike H. But as a HC I think he's EXACTLY what we need on the sidelines.

Yeah I mean I'd much rather go with a Bruce Allen, Jimmy Raye III, or Bill Kuharich type. I was just saying if it's Holmgren then I'd be ok with it. Think it will be Shanahan still...and I'm not crazy about that

[drew54]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He took it from Chris Mortenson, who speculated a few weeks ago that he could see that combination returning together to the NFL. My thought on that is is each would command a lot of money so really only two teams would make such a bid...Dallas or Washington.

I wouldn't be opposed to Holmgren as President. I don't think his problem in Seattle was so much his personnel acumen it was handling that and coaching, if he just does one that would be ok I think.

Agreed. They would command 10Million+. Granted its not our money. Mike wore too many hats, but was actually drafting decent. He was just not giving all the time he needed to coaching.

Him and Gruden would be my first choice. Actually Dan selling is first but that will never happen.

[redsk1]

I just can't imagine what dumb a** hires a 1st time OC, w/out a coach in place. The more I continue to think about it the more stupid it gets. The Vinny. He's a piece of work. Crazy.

I'm don't think that JZ deserves to get fired right now, but w/ all this going on I do think in the best interest of the Redskins he should be let go if he loses this week or next. It's really not JZ's fault. We have a crappy organization. Crappy depth. The hiring of JZ was a horrible hire to begin with. If it was someone that was a good hire like a Jim Schwartz, Ryan, or Josh McD and we had some assemblence of some FO organization we should ride it out. At this point, we need to get started on a GM and coach search soon for the benefit of the Redskins.

Sorry JZ, but unless we put together a huge win streak, we gotta move on.

[redsk1]

I could handle Gruden/Holmgren or Gruden/Bruce Allen. As long as there isn't a Vinny squeezed in there.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I could handle Gruden/Holmgren or Gruden/Bruce Allen. As long as there isn't a Vinny squeezed in there.

I don't think anyone's hungry for a Vinny Sandwich but the menu choices are sparse at best

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

It really sucks when we have a 13 page thread on Jon Gruden being the HC when it is only week 6 and all of this is purely speculative. I had some pretty high expectations this year. As did so many others on this site. Now we are the Raiders. Uggg. I hate being a Skins fan at times. Danny boy fire Vinny. You have to fire the slug at this point. Start over in the FO then let them work their way down to next years coaches and then to the players. Something tells me this Redskin Team next year is not going to resemble much of what is here right now.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

It really sucks when we have a 13 page thread on Jon Gruden being the HC when it is only week 6 and all of this is purely speculative. I had some pretty high expectations this year. As did so many others on this site. Now we are the Raiders. Uggg. I hate being a Skins fan at times. Danny boy fire Vinny. You have to fire the slug at this point. Start over in the FO then let them work their way down to next years coaches and then to the players. Something tells me this Redskin Team next year is not going to resemble much of what is here right now.

You are probably right, but the win/loss record just might resemble what we have right now.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

It really sucks when we have a 13 page thread on Jon Gruden being the HC when it is only week 6 and all of this is purely speculative. I had some pretty high expectations this year. As did so many others on this site. Now we are the Raiders. Uggg. I hate being a Skins fan at times. Danny boy fire Vinny. You have to fire the slug at this point. Start over in the FO then let them work their way down to next years coaches and then to the players. Something tells me this Redskin Team next year is not going to resemble much of what is here right now.

Honestly I actually hope it doesn't. I wish we could get rid of all the high priced primidana's, and get rid of the coach's stuck in their old ways. Bring in new coach's ....NFL qualified coach's ...and start rebuilding a young, healthy, fast team.