Should Snyder listen to his players?

[irish]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think thats been their downfall all year Hog. Unite and play with purpose. Everyone get on the same page. If you want to save his job...save it. Don't just talk about it.

I agree. If they want Zorn to stay on as their coach dont talk about winning, do it. If they win everything will work out just fine. The problem is these players appear to be much better at talking about what they need to do than actually doing it.

[Trample the Elderly]

No sir! A owner should never listen to his players, except in things that don't envolve the game. If Rocky McIntosh wants to do some kind of "feed the children" program, that's something else. The owner should go to the GM, see what's going on, and trust his assessment of the situation. If the players are going to fraternize with the ownership, then there's no use in having a GM or a coaching staff. That's one of the big problems with this organization to begin with.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No sir! A owner should never listen to his players, except in things that don't envolve the game. If Rocky McIntosh wants to do some kind of "feed the children" program, that's something else. The owner should go to the GM, see what's going on, and trust his assessment of the situation. If the players are going to fraternize with the ownership, then there's no use in having a GM or a coaching staff. That's one of the big problems with this organization to begin with.

yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny.

Sometimes some players gather the wrong impression by thinking they're friendly with the owner...Bruce Smith, LaVar Arrington and now Clinton Portis. I'm always mindful of that old saying "If you play with a puppy he'll lick you in the face".

[53Fan]

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;609391]Sometimes some players gather the wrong impression by thinking they're friendly with the owner...Bruce Smith, LaVar Arrington and now Clinton Portis. I'm always mindful of that old saying "If you play with a puppy he'll lick you in the face".[/QUOTE]

......or pee on your leg. Either way, he needs to act more like an owner than a fan. It is possible to be both but seperate the two.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny.

Not kidding. I mean I'm not around the team much anymore, but I was there a lot from 1998-2002 and Snyder is much better off with Dwight Schar and Fred Smith (especially Schar as I understand it) because he had a very weak ownership group surrounding him when he first took ownership (and part of it was that he simply had to, these were the guys with money).

I mean I didn't really encounter Gerald Snyder much. He definitely had a close connection to certain players, especially Smith. Drasner, on the other hand, all he cared about was the star power of surrounding himself with NFL players. He was the brash one really.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

You've got to be kidding me. Ugh. Deep, deep dysfunction.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree. If they want Zorn to stay on as their coach dont talk about winning, do it. If they win everything will work out just fine. The problem is these players appear to be much better at talking about what they need to do than actually doing it.

I have embraced your same thought process for some time now. It gradually becomes unbearable to hear basically the same players week-in and week-out come on post game interviews saying we're not doing this, not doing that but never correct what it is they're not doing.

I've come to the conclusion maybe too much was expected from a team we've all admitted from time to time was deficient in areas neccessary to bring about the desired result. We've been forced to rely on back-up players with both limited experience as well as abilities to play vital positions of what needs to be strength if you expect to be successful. Back-up players in football are equvalent to relief pitchers in baseball, they only have so many plays in them, savor a difference and they would be starters. It's just not reasonable to think there won't be considerable drop-off when having to resort to back-up players.

Should Snyder listen to his players? For me there are many ways to look at that question without coming up with what I would consider a definative answer. I think one should always listen, it's just a matter of how much credence he should gives to what he's listening too.