NFL Network: Zorn likely to survive the season

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Bottom line is Vinny is to blame for convincing Danny to try the WCO without the right personnel in place. We should have stayed in the air Coryell style offense instead of the WCO, Campbell is more suited for the Gibbs/Coryell offense. In my opinion I think the Gibbs/Coryell offense is a better offense, just look at Baltimore. I think NO runs Parcells type of offense.

Vinny definitely has some blame in this. The way I see it is this. They brought in Zorn with the idea of installing the WCO. They knew, or should have known, what kind of players fit the system. They knew that we didn't have a lot of players who were experienced in the WCO. Zorn picked assistants who were not familiar with teaching the WCO. (That I know of). We draft WR's with the idea of working them into the offense as quickly as we can even though they have no NFL or WCO experience. This is obviously a long term plan. The system must be taught, implemented, practiced and executed. Players who fit, must be acquired. From all reports by QB's who have been in the system, it takes 2-3 years to become efficient in it.

Now Zorn seems to be catching a lot of heat because we're 2-3 starting off our 2nd season with him as coach. I say seem, because we haven't heard anything from the FO confirming or denying this. What I'd like to know, is did the FO have any intention of giving Zorn 3 years to succeed? It has also been said by those that know, that a QB can do well in the system faster, if he has a good team around him so the burden is not too heavily put on him. I would think that a good offensive line that can run block and keep the QB from dodging and ducking and not commit penalties that negate 1rst downs, would be part of that equation.

Zorn has made mistakes. (Run up the freakin middle! The only stretch I want to hear about is the players stretching before the game.) The question is, is he to stupid or stubborn to learn? I thought the offense looked better than I'd seen it in a long time except for the redzone and really expected that to be worked out. We can either can the whole thing and start over, or give Zorn time and see. I'm not sure playing 6 winless teams in a row is such a blessing. These guys are fired up and catching heat too. And we've always played down to the level of competition. We did it last year and we did it when Gibbs was here.

I guess I'm rambling. Sorry. Whatever the FO does, I just wish I had more confidence in them to believe it's the right decision.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Vinny definitely has some blame in this. The way I see it is this. They brought in Zorn with the idea of installing the WCO. They knew, or should have known, what kind of players fit the system. They knew that we didn't have a lot of players who were experienced in the WCO. Zorn picked assistants who were not familiar with teaching the WCO. (That I know of). We draft WR's with the idea of working them into the offense as quickly as we can even though they have no NFL or WCO experience. This is obviously a long term plan. The system must be taught, implemented, practiced and executed. Players who fit, must be acquired. From all reports by QB's who have been in the system, it takes 2-3 years to become efficient in it.

Now Zorn seems to be catching a lot of heat because we're 2-3 starting off our 2nd season with him as coach. I say seem, because we haven't heard anything from the FO confirming or denying this. What I'd like to know, is did the FO have any intention of giving Zorn 3 years to succeed? It has also been said by those that know, that a QB can do well in the system faster, if he has a good team around him so the burden is not too heavily put on him. I would think that a good offensive line that can run block and keep the QB from dodging and ducking and not commit penalties that negate 1rst downs, would be part of that equation.

Zorn has made mistakes. (Run up the freakin middle! The only stretch I want to hear about is the players stretching before the game.) The question is, is he to stupid or stubborn to learn? I thought the offense looked better than I'd seen it in a long time except for the redzone and really expected that to be worked out. We can either can the whole thing and start over, or give Zorn time and see. I'm not sure playing 6 winless teams in a row is such a blessing. These guys are fired up and catching heat too. And we've always played down to the level of competition. We did it last year and we did it when Gibbs was here.

I guess I'm rambling. Sorry. Whatever the FO does, I just wish I had more confidence in them to believe it's the right decision.

The west coast has nothing to do with wasteing all your timeouts with over 10 minutes left in the game.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

The west coast has nothing to do with wasteing all your timeouts with over 10 minutes left in the game.

And that's what got us 3 losses? I guess we're in good shape then. Just use the timeouts better and we're good to go.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Vinny definitely has some blame in this. The way I see it is this. They brought in Zorn with the idea of installing the WCO. They knew, or should have known, what kind of players fit the system. They knew that we didn't have a lot of players who were experienced in the WCO. Zorn picked assistants who were not familiar with teaching the WCO. (That I know of). We draft WR's with the idea of working them into the offense as quickly as we can even though they have no NFL or WCO experience. This is obviously a long term plan. The system must be taught, implemented, practiced and executed. Players who fit, must be acquired. From all reports by QB's who have been in the system, it takes 2-3 years to become efficient in it.

Now Zorn seems to be catching a lot of heat because we're 2-3 starting off our 2nd season with him as coach. I say seem, because we haven't heard anything from the FO confirming or denying this. What I'd like to know, is did the FO have any intention of giving Zorn 3 years to succeed? . . .

I think this would have been true if we were seeing progress. Instead, Zorn's offense is getting worse, and a full year and an offseason of familiarity with the playbook and scheme hasn't helped at all.

If we saw our offense advancing in efficiency and scoring, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think this would have been true if we were seeing progress. Instead, Zorn's offense is getting worse, and a full year and an offseason of familiarity with the playbook and scheme hasn't helped at all.

If we saw our offense advancing in efficiency and scoring, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I agree with you.

Also if Zorn had a full lot of his own coaching staff then you could give him 3 years in that situtation. Unfortunately Zorn was placed as head coach among two different coaching staffs in a push for playoffs and beyond.

That patchjob didn't work so I'm pretty sure that experiment is over.