Some Optimism from a Pessimist - The Skins CAN Reclaim Greatness

[53Fan]

44Deezel.....is that really you? You're right man. I know I"m a little too optimistic sometimes but that's because I believe hurdles can be jumped, lemons make lemonaide, and problems are meant to be solved, not just bitched about. Find a way to win. I remember when Gibbs got here and went 0-5. I also remember thinking this guy is way in over his head and we're in some deep s**t. Things CAN turn around. Good thread man!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

44Deezel.....is that really you? You're right man. I know I"m a little too optimistic sometimes but that's because I believe hurdles can be jumped, lemons make lemonaide, and problems are meant to be solved, not just bitched about. Find a way to win. I remember when Gibbs got here and went 0-5. I also remember thinking this guy is way in over his head and we're in some deep s**t. Things CAN turn around. Good thread man!

Damnit, my wife hijacked my laptop again. Someone close this thread. The Skins will always suck

Being reminded that teams were able to go from 1-15 to 11-5 or even onto win the Super Bowl (the Cowturds) gave me hope. The Saints were terrible FOREVER, and now they're a perennial contender. Maybe we turn things around this year, or maybe we hit rock bottom and only get better next year and beyond. Either way, things will turnaround. They have to!

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Damnit, my wife hijacked my laptop again. Someone close this thread. The Skins will always suck

Being reminded that teams were able to go from 1-15 to 11-5 or even onto win the Super Bowl (the Cowturds) gave me hope. The Saints were terrible FOREVER, and now they're a perennial contender. Maybe we turn things around this year, or maybe we hit rock bottom and only get better next year and beyond. Either way, things will turnaround. They have to!

Not really...if we keep building teams that are so fragile that they can't even get out of Week 5 without having their competition level shattered by one or two injuries then things don't necessarily have to change.

All of the turnaround teams have had good football people in place. I can say that because we wouldn't have heard of them if they didn't have those football people there. This team has no solution to their loss of Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels...


As long as the football people here are building teams with that much fragility then there is no reasonable possibility for things to turn around ever.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Not really...if we keep building teams that are so fragile that they can't even get out of Week 5 without having their competition level shattered by one or two injuries then things don't necessarily have to change.

All of the turnaround teams have had good football people in place. I can say that because we wouldn't have heard of them if they didn't have those football people there. This team has no solution to their loss of Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels...


As long as the football people here are building teams with that much fragility then there is no reasonable possibility for things to turn around ever.

You're probably right, but the teams that made the list didn't make any drastic changes to management and/or ownership (with the exception of the Dolphins with Parcells). They just started doing things differently or, in some cases, just struck lightning. We either have to hope Snyderato has learned from this season OR that Snyder sees the light and fires Cerrato.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

You're probably right, but the teams that made the list didn't make any drastic changes to management and/or ownership (with the exception of the Dolphins with Parcells). They just started doing things differently or, in some cases, just struck lightning. We either have to hope Snyderato has learned from this season OR that Snyder sees the light and fires Cerrato.

I keep saying this, but our "core Redskins" have given us all they're capable of giving. Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El, and Clinton Portis have peaked. From this point on, they will do nothing but go downhill. This is especially true of the O-line. The door has already been slammed shut on Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. Those were veteran fixtures that had been on the decline for awhile.

These turnaround teams you speak of had promising players that had not yet reached their potential. The pieces were already in place. Our pieces have been in place since 2005, 2006. In some cases further back than that. Now we're seeing them begin to crumble.

If there's a turnaround in store, it won't be with the players we have right now on this roster.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I keep saying this, but our "core Redskins" have given us all they're capable of giving. Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El, and Clinton Portis have peaked. From this point on, they will do nothing but go downhill. This is especially true of the O-line. The door has already been slammed shut on Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. Those were veteran fixtures that had been on the decline for awhile.

These turnaround teams you speak of had promising players that had not yet reached their potential. The pieces were already in place. Our pieces have been in place since 2005, 2006. In some cases further back than that. Now we're seeing them begin to crumble.

If there's a turnaround in store, it won't be with the players we have right now on this roster.

i agree with your final sentence more than any other i've read. the skins are in desperate need of some new people,in management,yes but just as much in players. the roster needs to be drastically different next season.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i agree with your final sentence more than any other i've read. the skins are in desperate need of some new people,in management,yes but just as much in players. the roster needs to be drastically different next season.

It would also be a crime if we have all new players next year and the same front office or coach in place.

The overall idea for this rebuild effort should be fresh change from top to bottom.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i agree with your final sentence more than any other i've read. the skins are in desperate need of some new people,in management,yes but just as much in players. the roster needs to be drastically different next season.

I hear ya, but man, a couple of those teams were 1-15. Their talent couldn't have been that much better. But maybe it was... The Cowboys benefited from the Hershel Walker trade. The Dolphins benefited from Parcels, Pennington, a 1-15 team's schedule and some smart moves... like trading Jason Taylor to some chump team for 2 draft picks Aye Carumba