Texas vs. Oklahoma: Scouting our next QB?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Che's Revolt

I know he's not going to be available in this upcoming draft class but Tyrod Taylor is my 1st overall pick in 2011. My preferred Redskins recovery plan goes something like, retain JC for another season, utilize the picks in the next draft to procure as many Olinemen as possible and draft Tyrod Taylor to be the next franchise QB.

Easier said than done, I know, but its a launching point.

Sorry, i mean this respectably, but are you kidding about Tyrod Taylor? The guy is not a good passer. He'd be about 10 times worse than JC. He's not the best passer in the ACC. There was a serious discussion the other day on radio whether he was better than Jameel Sewell at VA. He is but not by much.

[GTripp0012]

My problems with Clausen are the same problems I had with Stafford. It's not that they're not NFL caliber players, it's that they're not great college decision makers and that their NFL upside is somewhere around what Jason Campbell already is, and if THIS organization goes down that road, it's going to end up exactly the same way.

Now, this appears to be a very deep class of college signal callers, and if you're willing to sit on a guy in the middle of the second round and pour your resources into the developmental end of the college QB equation, you can draft a guy who can take his lumps behind a young, improving OL. And if that guy is Clausen, good, I'm an ND fan, and he's an easy guy to root for. I think the main thing is to avoid the allure of a QB with a top ten pick, which we may or may not have.

You'd be better off with another safety.

[Dirtbag59]

Whats the deal with Bradford's injury? The way I've seen it described it's like his career is over. I mean it's great if we can draft him at around 8 but the way I see it is he just came back from a simple injury to fast and now he needs surgery to fix it. Still the guys are comparing him to Willis McGahee when he came out, talking about insurance policies and falling draft stock.

The funny thing is with situations like this is I've learned to split the difference when it comes to projecting these players draft projections. For example Andre Smith was considered a top 3 pick at one point. Then his workouts came and he was projected to be a late mid first round. Turns out he ends up as the 6th pick overall. So in short even if Bradford is projected to go late in the first right now I still believe that someone will draft him early. I'm obviously hoping that team is us at this point because like the guys on MNF said. Part of the reason we have trouble competing in the NFC East is a lack of stability at the QB position.

In the end we really need to find a way to fix both that, our O-Line, and in turn our running game.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My problems with Clausen are the same problems I had with Stafford. It's not that they're not NFL caliber players, it's that they're not great college decision makers and that their NFL upside is somewhere around what Jason Campbell already is, and if THIS organization goes down that road, it's going to end up exactly the same way.

Now, this appears to be a very deep class of college signal callers, and if you're willing to sit on a guy in the middle of the second round and pour your resources into the developmental end of the college QB equation, you can draft a guy who can take his lumps behind a young, improving OL. And if that guy is Clausen, good, I'm an ND fan, and he's an easy guy to root for. I think the main thing is to avoid the allure of a QB with a top ten pick, which we may or may not have.

You'd be better off with another safety.

I don't know why but I just don't like Clausen right now. He doesn't seem to have the down to earth personality that you see in the Big 3 right now (McCoy, Tebow, Bradford).

[Trample the Elderly]

I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.

Agree 100%

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'll say it again, eff a QB! That's all you're doing anyway by bringing one in here. Look at Ramsey. Look at Brunell. Soup is looking more and more like Brunell everyday. He limps around like Brunell. He has to throw balls away like Brunell. He can't run like Brunell. Do you guys detect a trend here? If you want to eff a perfectly good QB, draft one and put him behind this line.

"All we need is one QB and a good WR. That will take us to the promised land". Y'all sound like Al Snyderato.

yes yes yes yes, if we draft another qb before we get a new solid left tackle it just shows we are on the same path we have been on for a while which isn't a good one, sometimes you need to address your teams needs and not go after the sexy picks, like the texans did with wiliiams that worked out for them and now they have slayton

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yes yes yes yes, if we draft another qb before we get a new solid left tackle it just shows we are on the same path we have been on for a while which isn't a good one, sometimes you need to address your teams needs and not go after the sexy picks, like the texans did with wiliiams that worked out for them and now they have slayton

The draft really should be about selecting BPA but you do that by either

A. Drafting well in previous years
or
B. Shoring up positions of need through free agency.

Last year we didn't do either of these and even though the signing of Derrick Dockery was a good start, we stopped there. As I've said before I've never opposed the drafting of Orakpo however the guys we drafted after Orakpo were more then enough to make my head spin. A CB, 2 LB's, a WR, and a FB. Vinny's willing to hedge his bets on pass catchers, DE's, and LB's but when it comes to OL he avoids them like the plague. Sure he shows up to their pro days but thats about as close as he comes to selecting offensive lineman.

I personally would be more then willing to take the Falcons approach in that we take the QB first and then either move up to take a first round tackle or at the very least wait and see whos there in the second. Of course we could even use that pick to pry away a young free agent who won't be available thanks to the current state of the CBA. Marcus McNeil comes to mind but I don't think you can pry him away with a 2nd round pick.

I know that I myself would be in heaven if we found a way to bring in a top 10 1st round QB, Marcus McNeil (LT,25), Jahari Evans (OG, 26), Jeremy Trueblood (RT, 26), and Kevin Mawae (C, 33). Of course at that point I might just be as guilty as our owner when it comes to competently building a team. Still I can dream.

[Big C]

colt mccoy will not be a good nfl qb. just dont think he translates well to a pro system. bradford is a better fit for one, but still not convinced about him in the pros either. as far as im concerned jimmy clausen is the best fit for a pro style offense though he wont come out. he and max hall. maybe lefevour

[mlmdub130]

i am totally against the whole best player avail bs that everyone talks about basically with that you are saying if colt mccoy is available then the saints should draft him rather than a position they need, becuase he is the best player avail? don't think so, that rule only works when you have teams that are terrible and having one good player makes a splash but doesn't always work, like quinn, jackson, russell, just to name a few

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i am totally against the whole best player avail bs that everyone talks about basically with that you are saying if colt mccoy is available then the saints should draft him rather than a position they need, becuase he is the best player avail? don't think so, that rule only works when you have teams that are terrible and having one good player makes a splash but doesn't always work, like quinn, jackson, russell, just to name a few

I think it was Rich McKay that used to talk about how when he was a GM they would almost always go for BPA. However in the process they would rule out certain positions, at least until certain points in the draft. So in the Saints example you would go into your meeting and say "alright, if we do end up drafting a QB it won't be until after the third round, if that."

I personally believe that BPA should be used in combination with selecting a need. However you should always try to supplement with free agency to avoid passing up a quality young player. Still if you have a position of need and a position thats not so pressing at the moment then I think it would be foolish to select that latter player assuming there was a rating difference of only 2 or 3 points. Still Vinny talks about how for the most part they will take the top rated player regardless, and to me that's part of the problem with our front office. That and our allergies towards selecting offensive lineman.

[mlmdub130]

i agree with you but you have to admit we do have a pressing issue with o line and need to draft an oline man over anyone in the upcoming draft, in my opinion, which isn't worth much

[Wildcat]

Skins would be just fine with Bradford, but i think they will go after Brady Quinn instead

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Skins would be just fine with Bradford, but i think they will go after Brady Quinn instead

brady quinn=bust, but i could see us shipping our picks some where else i just hope it's for an o lineman