Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Chiefs)

[MTK]

I think it's official now, Zorn and JC are done in D.C.

I've got my fingers crossed that some good can come out of this disaster of a season. With the team falling flat on their faces, perhaps this is the wake up call Snyder needs.

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's official now, Zorn and JC are done in D.C.

I've got my fingers crossed that some good can come out of this disaster of a season. With the team falling flat on their faces, perhaps this is the wake up call Snyder needs.

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

Agreed. Portis' time is past. And I never have understood why he was given so many passes regarding practice. As you said, it sends the wrong message.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's official now, Zorn and JC are done in D.C.

I've got my fingers crossed that some good can come out of this disaster of a season. With the team falling flat on their faces, perhaps this is the wake up call Snyder needs.

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

I agree and have been saying it for awhile. Portis absolutely represents what is wrong with this team. Last year when he threw Zorn under the bus and Vinny and others said, "Oh thats just Clinton being Clinton", it about made me sick. Undermining the HC and whining about playing time when you won't even practice is not how you win in this league. He's been a prima donna since he's been here with the cooperation of the FO and he has sent the wrong message to his team mates from day one. He sets a bad example and can't help but fall over his own feet when he runs. He runs into the back of his linemen instead of cutting to an open lane then calls out his blockers. His act grew old with me long ago, and I'll be glad to see him gone.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's official now, Zorn and JC are done in D.C.

I've got my fingers crossed that some good can come out of this disaster of a season. With the team falling flat on their faces, perhaps this is the wake up call Snyder needs.

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

Perhaps some good will come from this. The realization that we're not a player or two away is a good thing.

I"m about done w/ alot of players on the skins, but yes, CP is one of them. I like the way he plays on Sundays, but he's slowed down in recent years. I don't think he's a pure #1 starting RB anymore. He couldn't really out run Sellers on his long run yesterday. Just watch another game and tell me CP's not slowed down. Love the guy, but we've got to move on. Anyone watch Ray Rice lately?

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

I don't agree with your assessment of his production. look at the drop off when we put Ladell in the game... Portis is doing a solid job with this horrible line. Obviously I'm still a Portis supporter.
BTW, He is #7 in the league in rushing. Imagine where he would be if we could convert 3rd downs or take a lead into the 4th quarter.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jamf

I don't agree with your assessment of his production. look at the drop off when we put Ladell in the game... Portis is doing a solid job with this horrible line. Obviously I'm still a Portis supporter.
BTW, He is #7 in the league in rushing. Imagine where he would be if we could convert 3rd downs or take a lead into the 4th quarter.

Considering what he gets paid are you happy with his production? He's had a nice run in D.C., but I think it's time to get rid of some of these fat-cat players.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Also, with the possibility of no cap next year, can we please dump Portis? I used to be a big backer of his but I think he represents all that is wrong with the Redskins right now. He's overpaid and he underproduces, and he even though he comes to play on Sundays, the fact he sets his own practice schedule sends the wrong message. We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays.

its like you almost cut and pasted one of my posts this offseason (that you and others blasted me for saying there is no stat for heart, Cp coming off a 1500 yd season is not a prob etc.)

sorry but when i made posts like yours i got the "good grief", , "you know nothing about football" responses from you and others.

now you believe in heart? now you believe winning requires 110% with players like london fletcher, not the likes of CP and moss?

go skins!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

its like you almost cut and pasted one of my posts this offseason (that you and others blasted me for saying there is no stat for heart, Cp coming off a 1500 yd season is not a prob etc.)

sorry but when i made posts like yours i got the "good grief", , "you know nothing about football" responses from you and others.

now you believe in heart? now you believe winning requires 110% with players like london fletcher, not the likes of CP and moss?

go skins!

I've changed my mind. I've freely admitted to being wrong in the past about things, I know some here are never wrong, but I know I am.

But I find it hard to believe I would have told you that you know nothing about football. At the time I have may disagreed with you, but spare me the drama.

Good for you if you saw this coming. Give yourself a big pat on the back. I think I need to start keeping score of when I'm right and others are wrong. Seems to be the popular thing to do these days.

[CrustyRedskin]

"We need a team full of blue collar guys who give 110% during the week in practice AS WELL as on Sundays." MattyK72

That pretty much sums it all up!!!!!!!!!!! Id probably put blue collar coaches in there as well! What an atrocity!

[Beemnseven]

All that's been said about Portis is true, but would anyone else agree that Santana Moss is almost the same situation? Maybe not with his practice habits, but not since 2005 has he given us much of anything.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

All that's been said about Portis is true, but would anyone else agree that Santana Moss is almost the same situation? Maybe not with his practice habits, but not since 2005 has he given us much of anything.

I dunno, he had a pretty good year last year and is still on pace for 1,000 yards this year too. But at this point I definitely would look to move him to the #2 role.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

All that's been said about Portis is true, but would anyone else agree that Santana Moss is almost the same situation? Maybe not with his practice habits, but not since 2005 has he given us much of anything.

NO way! Moss has his limits for sure, but he's the only consistent playmaker at wr we have. Have you missed all the plays he's made since 2005?

He may not be much at getting open when's he double teamed, but that points out the lack of respect teams have for the other wr's. Watching Collins scan the field & hold the ball yesterday made it pretty apparent to me that the wr's are as much an issue w/this team's lack of offense as the O line, maybe more so. Moss may not be a top wr, but he's so much better than any of the others, whereas I don't see the gap between CP & Betts as that wide.

[CapitalPunishment75]

Clean out the offense. Sorry. Santana Moss is an AVERAGE number 1 on a bad team, and a great number 2 WR on a great team. I supported Jason from his earliest days, but it's time to move on. He could be a decent number 2 somewhere, but he does not have what it takes to be a playoff QB. My concern is that if Dan doesn't bring in someone to make decisions around here we are going to be taking a Q with our top 5 pick. We need draft heavy on the offensive line and just accept we are a few years off from a .500 season. I am not giving up on devon and malcom just yet. I'd like to see what they can do with a Q who can put fear into a defense and change how they cover our guys. So sad how I went into this season thinking we are entering our 4-5 year window where we can make serious runs at it, to let's rebuild the offense from the top down and see what happens in a few years. Let's get back to the smashmouth NFC east offense we used to be. HTTR.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

At this point I'd rather see Marko Mitchell and ANTHONY ALRIDGE get time playing WR over Thomas and Kelly. You might think I sound crazy saying Alridge so be our WR since there's a good chance that he's never played there, but do you really think he'd have any less impact than Thomas or Kelly? Hell, the only decent play of either of their careers was the end around that Thomas ran last year, so why the hell not.

[BDBohnzie]

CBS - For losing video and audio for several minutes during the 3rd quarter yesterday...then actually bringing it back for me to watch the end of a truly pathetic game...