Reputation of Sherman Lewis- our new play caller

[Skinny Tee]

This may be old news but when we spoke last about this topic it was wild rumor. This now has been confirmed as truth.

Most the things we speak about on here are basically what ifs because we don't really know what the front office does behind closed doors but this affirms that they committed this action during this offseason.

I think it speaks volumes about what they plan to do this offseason and how they plan to structure the future front office...with or without Vinny.

It also speaks about how they are going to treat the next coach who comes to DC. They offered a job to someone without first having a vacancy. If that is no big deal to you then you're probably not one of the perspective coaches for the Washington Redskins because they'd probably give this some thought.

Sources: Mike Shanahan Turned Down Redskins Coaching Job -- NFL FanHouse

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

This may be old news but when we spoke last about this topic it was wild rumor. This now has been confirmed as truth.

Most the things we speak about on here are basically what ifs because we don't really know what the front office does behind closed doors but this affirms that they committed this action during this offseason.

I think it speaks volumes about what they plan to do this offseason and how they plan to structure the future front office...with or without Vinny.

It also speaks about how they are going to treat the next coach who comes to DC. They offered a job to someone without first having a vacancy. If that is no big deal to you then you're probably not one of the perspective coaches for the Washington Redskins because they'd probably give this some thought.

Sources: Mike Shanahan Turned Down Redskins Coaching Job -- NFL FanHouse

I don't get how you make the leap from how/if someone else was approached to 'that's how they are going to treat the next coach'. As far as I know, Snyder has treated all of his coaches in the same manner. Turner, he berated and fired publicly. Schotty, he challenged and fired. Spurrier resigned with little resistance. Gibbs retired. Zorn is clearly a lame duck and a conversation was had. How is that a precursor to future behavior?

I don't really see anything wrong with asking your preferred choice, 'Is there a circumstance that you would come and take over in season?' It's not like they were negotiating contract terms while Zorn is putting together the gameplan. I'm not a big Snyder guy but he gets shredded for everything, even if it's not a big deal.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't get how you make the leap from how/if someone else was approached to 'that's how they are going to treat the next coach'. As far as I know, Snyder has treated all of his coaches in the same manner. Turner, he berated and fired publicly. Schotty, he challenged and fired. Spurrier resigned with little resistance. Gibbs retired. Zorn is clearly a lame duck and a conversation was had. How is that a precursor to future behavior?

I don't really see anything wrong with asking your preferred choice, 'Is there a circumstance that you would come and take over in season?' It's not like they were negotiating contract terms while Zorn is putting together the gameplan. I'm not a big Snyder guy but he gets shredded for everything, even if it's not a big deal.

I think it's a big deal that he offered someone a job that was filled at the moment. I know the NFL is special but there still is a professional accumen that is expected when dealing with people.

If you're telling me that I should expect that Snyder has none, then I'd say you're right. I'd also say that would effect the level of desire and the overall quality of the coaches that come to Redskins.

I know real life examples don't work for the likes of the NFL but on a human level...If you heard that your job was offered to someone else when you currently were on the clock, you'd probably be a little put out.

Gruden even remarked on it. He distanced himself from any talk of him taking over because it was unethical.
Jon Gruden distances himself from Redskins, Louisville coaching jobs - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com

If Snyder looks bad it's because his reputation precedes him and it is certainly warranted.

Professionally speaking, people don't deal with owners/managers who work like that because that is how you'll be dealt with when it's your time to go.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

This may be old news but when we spoke last about this topic it was wild rumor. This now has been confirmed as truth.

Most the things we speak about on here are basically what ifs because we don't really know what the front office does behind closed doors but this affirms that they committed this action during this offseason.

I think it speaks volumes about what they plan to do this offseason and how they plan to structure the future front office...with or without Vinny.

It also speaks about how they are going to treat the next coach who comes to DC. They offered a job to someone without first having a vacancy. If that is no big deal to you then you're probably not one of the perspective coaches for the Washington Redskins because they'd probably give this some thought.

Sources: Mike Shanahan Turned Down Redskins Coaching Job -- NFL FanHouse

I guess I'll ask the same question here that I asked in another thread. What is so true now that we didn't know two weeks ago?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I guess I'll ask the same question here that I asked in another thread. What is so true now that we didn't know two weeks ago?

im not skinny t but im guessin that the truth is:
1)after the lions game the DS wanted to fire zorn, vinny told him if you fire zorn you have no one that can call plays,
2) the next week, snyderatto bring in sherm lewis so that he can get familiar with skins for a few weeks and when he fires zorn there is someone who has called plays before
3) after the chiefs game snyderatto tries to embarrass zorn into quiting by "strongly suggesting" that he hand over play call duties to sherm lewis,
4) zorn not quiting before the eagles game is no biggie for snyderatto b/c the bye week is coming up, in which time they can fire zorn and allow sherm lewis 2 weeks to get up to speed as the Washington redskins head coach.

(as a side benefit, maybe one of the big name coaches might actually listen to snyderatto's sales pitch mid-season since sherm lewis is an interim coach and not a tenured coach coming into the season like zorn was. i do believe coaches, employed or unemployed, have a type of gentelmens agreement/quasi union pack where they wont go behind and usurp another HC while he is still employed. look at gruden and shanahan's responses and comments.

usurping an interim coach whom the FO has no intention of keeping past this season isnt as egregious of a violation to their coach gentlemens code as it would be if zorn is still the HC)

so business as usual for the skins.

i also think skinny was implying that the smearing campaign of snyderatto on their coaches (marty, gregg williams and now the public humiliation of zorn) hurts their chances of hiring a big time coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

im not skinny t but im guessin that the truth is:
1)after the lions game the DS wanted to fire zorn, vinny told him if you fire zorn you have no one that can call plays,
2) the next week, snyderatto bring in sherm lewis so that he can get familiar with skins for a few weeks and when he fires zorn there is someone who has called plays before
3) after the chiefs game snyderatto tries to embarrass zorn into quiting by "strongly suggesting" that he hand over play call duties to sherm lewis,
4) zorn not quiting before the eagles game is no biggie for snyderatto b/c the bye week is coming up, in which time they can fire zorn and allow sherm lewis 2 weeks to get up to speed as the Washington redskins head coach.

(as a side benefit, maybe one of the big name coaches might actually listen to snyderatto's sales pitch mid-season since sherm lewis is an interim coach and not a tenured coach coming into the season like zorn was. i do believe coaches, employed or unemployed, have a type of gentelmens agreement/quasi union pack where they wont go behind and usurp another HC while he is still employed. look at gruden and shanahan's responses and comments.

usurping an interim coach whom the FO has no intention of keeping past this season isnt as egregious of a violation to their coach gentlemens code as it would be if zorn is still the HC)

so business as usual for the skins.

i also think skinny was implying that the smearing campaign of snyderatto on their coaches (marty, gregg williams and now the public humiliation of zorn) hurts their chances of hiring a big time coach.

Thanks for the reply. I thought Skinny was talking more about the rumors of the Redskins reaching out to Shanahan, which is something that was reported earlier this month. The only difference now is that a "source inside the Redskins organization" confirmed it this time, whereas no one did before. But that's par for the course with these things. It's really not new news, in my opinion.