PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

[12thMan]

Another reason I don't want Gibbs here is because of the wall to wall media coverage he would get and the expectations along wtih it. I don't think a GM could possibly operate in that environment.

The big question would always be, who's in charge? With every win and every lost, who's in charge? People would always attempt to connect the dots leading back to Gibbs. Oh, Gibbs and Danny would hold a big presser introducing the new GM and the new head coach declaring this a new day a Redskins Park. They would atone for there sins publicly, assuring the fans that he's not the decision maker and he's just in the background.

I don't see anything good coming out of this, except for more filled seats.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Another reason I don't want Gibbs here is because of the wall to wall media coverage he would get and the expectations along wtih it. I don't think a GM could possibly operate in that environment.

The big question would always be, who's in charge? With every win and every lost, who's in charge? People would always attempt to connect the dots leading back to Gibbs. Oh, Gibbs and Danny would hold a big presser introducing the new GM and the new head coach declaring this a new day a Redskins Park. They would atone for there sins publicly, assuring the fans that he's not the decision maker and he's just in the background.

I don't see anything good coming out of this, except for more filled seats.

So what would be the difference if we hired Bill Parcells to do the same thing?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

So what would be the difference if we hired Bill Parcells to do the same thing?

Because Parcells has done it as a coach and he's doing it right now as GM in Miami. I don't hear jack about Parcells in Miami, but his influence and strategy is evident. He has depth at the key positions and he has a head coach that is competent at the NFL level.

If Gibbs came here, it would be all sizzle and no steak. Great for ratings, but I fear little production.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Because Parcells has done it as a coach and he's doing it right now as GM in Miami. I don't hear jack about Parcells in Miami, but his influence and strategy is evident. He has depth at the key positions and he has a head coach that is competent at the NFL level.

If Gibbs came here, it would be all sizzle and no steak. Great for ratings, but I fear little production.

Parcells is not the GM in Miami. He's the VP of Football Operations. Jeff Ireland is the GM... hired by Parcells.

I think a lot of people aren't clear on what Parcells role is there. He's not the GM and he's not as hands on as people think.

Gibbs would play the same role here. Hire a GM, help hire a coach. It's not a very hands on, down and dirty position. It's just an overseeing of the football ops more than anything.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Parcells is not the GM in Miami. He's the VP of Football Operations. Jeff Ireland is the GM... hired by Parcells.

I think a lot of people aren't clear on what Parcells role is there. He's not the GM and he's not as hands on as people think.

Gibbs would play the same role here. Hire a GM, help hire a coach. It's not a very hands on, down and dirty position. It's just an overseeing of the football ops more than anything.

Didn't see your post but exactly what I was saying! +100

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Parcells is not the GM in Miami. He's the VP of Football Operations. Jeff Ireland is the GM... hired by Parcells.

I think a lot of people aren't clear on what Parcells role is there. He's not the GM and he's not as hands on as people think.

Gibbs would play the same role here. Hire a GM, help hire a coach. It's not a very hands on, down and dirty position. It's just an overseeing of the football ops more than anything.

Okay, if that's the case then why do we need Joe Gibbs to oversee the player operation if he's not going to be hands on? Why bring him here at all? I would think there are other football minds who are more familiar with the current landscape of assistant coaches and GMs that are ready and capable to take the next step.

Joe Gibbs just seems removed and detached, until Danny calls him, from the day-to-day goings on of the NFL. I'm certain there's a flow of information and exchange that you're only privy to because you're plugged in. That's something you can't just jump in and out of and get real feel for.

I guess to make my point more clear, SmootSmack works for ESPN. I'll bet when goes on vacation and returns to work, all kinds of shit has gone on behind the scenes around the league that he's not up to speed on. And we're just talking about a week.

As far as Parcells not being GM, wasn't it his choice to cut ties with Jason Taylor and then bring him back into the fold? That sounds like GM to me.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay, if that's the case then why do we need Joe Gibbs to oversee the player operation if he's not going to be hands on? Why bring him here at all? I would think there are other football minds who are more familiar with the current landscape of assistant coaches and GMs that are ready and capable to take the next step.

Joe Gibbs just seems removed and detached, until Danny calls him, from the day-to-day goings on of the NFL. I'm certain there's a flow of information and exchange that you're only privy to because you're plugged in. That's something you can't just jump in and out of and get real feel for.

I guess to make my point more clear, SmootSmack works for ESPN. I'll bet when goes on vacation and returns to work, all kinds of shit has gone on behind the scenes around the league that he's not up to speed on. And we're just talking about a week.

As far as Parcells not being GM, wasn't it his choice to cut ties with Jason Taylor and then bring him back into the fold? That sounds like GM to me.

Who would you honestly rather have to deal with directly? Vinny Cerrato or Daniel Snyder, or Joe Gibbs?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Who would you honestly rather have to deal with directly? Vinny Cerrato or Daniel Snyder, or Joe Gibbs?

Honestly, none of them. And this might completely shock some people here, but if I had to choose between Cerrato and Gibbs on a football level today. Right now. It would be Cerrato hands down. I'm talking about take the emotion of meeting Joe Gibbs out of it, I would rather deal with Cerrato.

You just can't replace "right now" knowledge in the NFL. That's Danny's big blind spot and it's hurting this team badly. He's called in Sherm Lewis and now, possibley, Joe Gibbs - again. He seems to believe that success in the past is transferable to today's NFL culture. It isn't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Who would you honestly rather have to deal with directly? Vinny Cerrato or Daniel Snyder, or Joe Gibbs?

That's the point of it, exactly.

I don't care if it's Gibbs or someone else, but with a credible and respected team prez in place, or whatever the title is, it would make working in D.C. a much more attactive proposition. The coach and GM would primarily interact with the team president taking the owner that much further out of the picture. I think it's a good move to make, like I said whether it's Gibbs or someone else.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay, if that's the case then why do we need Joe Gibbs to oversee the player operation if he's not going to be hands on? Why bring him here at all? I would think there are other football minds who are more familiar with the current landscape of assistant coaches and GMs that are ready and capable to take the next step.

Joe Gibbs just seems removed and detached, until Danny calls him, from the day-to-day goings on of the NFL. I'm certain there's a flow of information and exchange that you're only privy to because you're plugged in. That's something you can't just jump in and out of and get real feel for.

I guess to make my point more clear, SmootSmack works for ESPN. I'll bet when goes on vacation and returns to work, all kinds of shit has gone on behind the scenes around the league that he's not up to speed on. And we're just talking about a week.

As far as Parcells not being GM, wasn't it his choice to cut ties with Jason Taylor and then bring him back into the fold? That sounds like GM to me.

Obviously there has to be something deeply rooted in the conscience of Joe Gibbs which somehow keeps him riveted to this organization, and always wanting to be a part of it in some capacity. Whatever that something is in all probability dosen't alow him to rest watching what has transpired since he last left.

Whether it's good, bad or indifferent, if this rumor has substance I will say that it certainly shows an undying faith and commitment to this organization the likes of which I have never witnessed in all the years I have been a fan of this team.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Obviously there has to be something deeply rooted in the conscience of Joe Gibbs which somehow keeps him riveted to this organization, and always wanting to be a part of it in some capacity. Whatever that something is in all probability dosen't alow him to rest watching what has transpired since he last left.

Whether it's good, bad or indifferent, if this rumor has substance I will say that it certainly shows an undying faith and commitment to this organization the likes of which I have never witnessed in all the years I have been a fan of this team.

Very good post!

[irish]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Obviously there has to be something deeply rooted in the conscience of Joe Gibbs which somehow keeps him riveted to this organization, and always wanting to be a part of it in some capacity. Whatever that something is in all probability dosen't alow him to rest watching what has transpired since he last left.

Whether it's good, bad or indifferent, if this rumor has substance I will say that it certainly shows an undying faith and commitment to this organization the likes of which I have never witnessed in all the years I have been a fan of this team.

But by quitting before his contract was up could it be said that he had a pretty good role in creating this mess?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Obviously there has to be something deeply rooted in the conscience of Joe Gibbs which somehow keeps him riveted to this organization, and always wanting to be a part of it in some capacity. Whatever that something is in all probability dosen't alow him to rest watching what has transpired since he last left.

Whether it's good, bad or indifferent, if this rumor has substance I will say that it certainly shows an undying faith and commitment to this organization the likes of which I have never witnessed in all the years I have been a fan of this team.

I don't question Gibbs' motive here at all. And I'll reiterate, I'm personally and forever grateful to coach Gibbs for what he accomplished as a Redskin. But at some point we need to stop recycling old personalities, worshipping yesterday's success and simply move on.

Anything that Joe Gibbs does in connection with this organization, good intentions or not, will be problematic for whomever is running the team. You don't get Joe Gibbs in a vacum. People want him involved, but then don't want him involved. They want the Skins to be successful, but they want to somehow put Gibbs' name on it. Shit get's complicated when he's around. For the sake of the long-term prospects of the team, I would rather he stay away.

Hey, let him come back once we get things right. But I just don't think he's the one to get us moving in the right direction.

[SBXVII]

[quote=12thMan;613978]Okay, if that's the case then why do we need Joe Gibbs to oversee the player operation if he's not going to be hands on? Why bring him here at all? I would think there are other football minds who are more familiar with the current landscape of assistant coaches and GMs that are ready and capable to take the next step.

Joe Gibbs just seems removed and detached, until Danny calls him, from the day-to-day goings on of the NFL. I'm certain there's a flow of information and exchange that you're only privy to because you're plugged in. That's something you can't just jump in and out of and get real feel for.

I guess to make my point more clear, SmootSmack works for ESPN. I'll bet when goes on vacation and returns to work, all kinds of shit has gone on behind the scenes around the league that he's not up to speed on. And we're just talking about a week.

As far as Parcells not being GM, wasn't it his choice to cut ties with Jason Taylor and then bring him back into the fold? That sounds like GM to me.[/quote]

1) You are probably correct in saying there may be "other football minds with more current knowledge", but news flash....if you have not been reading or hearing the news almost no one wants to come to work for DS. At the end of the season DS is not going to fire everyone and do job interviews. I would bet no one shows up ...qualified that is. Atleast with Gibbs being associated with the search and hopefully DS's hands off approach will open doors for us.

Also, everyone wanted DS to go the no name young talented HCing route. We did that ....look where we are. I'd rather have a bonified GM, which we won't get unless DS promises to stay out of the picture and maybe it's a start to prove he means business by having someone else hire his GM for him.

2) Lets try this scenario.....Zorn was currently working in this league when brought in as HC, and by all accounts he looks like he doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing. How about the Browns HC? supposed to be the next up and comer but failed with the Jets and now with the Browns. Also it didn't take Gibbs long to figure out the CAP issues that weren't around during his first term.

3) Yes it was Parcells idea to part ways with Taylor. Ya wanna know the reason? Cause he was a primidana like Portis and didn't want to come to practice until all the hard stuff was out of the way. Parcells told him show up or don't come at all. Taylor didn't show up so Parcells traded him. Not a dumb move there for a VP of operations. I'm guessing Gibbs could do as much as that.

and....if I had my choice between DS, Cerrato, or Gibbs I would rather meet with Gibbs. Cerrato is a complete idiot. Talk about people not having football knowledge and Cerrato is the face of it. Every team in the league just about laughs at us because of Cerrato. DS clearly has no football knowledge. He can't even hire a decent GM let alone a decent HC.

No one even knows if this is good info or made up twisted info. Yes DS met with Gibbs for dinner. Outside of that no one knows what was discussed. Did this cross my mind when I heard it...yes, more to the point of DS asking him to maybe be the GM but this scenario is better. He could hire a true GM to hire a decent (young or old) HC and "Rebuild" this team from the trenches out like most people wanted and make this team great again. If it doesn't happen or wasn't true other then DS asking Gibbs what he thought of certain HC's then so be it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Because Parcells has done it as a coach and he's doing it right now as GM in Miami. I don't hear jack about Parcells in Miami, but his influence and strategy is evident. He has depth at the key positions and he has a head coach that is competent at the NFL level.

If Gibbs came here, it would be all sizzle and no steak. Great for ratings, but I fear little production.

Gibbs hasn't done it as a coach? Hhhmmmm.....gee...who was coaching those Super Bowl teams of the 80's and early 90's?

I think you're getting very confused as to what a President of Football Operations does and what a GM does. The President helps to hire the GM and the Coach. The GM deals mostly with bringing in the players.