PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

It's the best we can do if you really think about it. Joe Gibbs is the only person on Earth that DS will allow to run the organization. Anyone else will result in being his puppet.

BINGO!!!! And nobody with a good reputation in the NFL is going to want to come to Washington and put up with that unless they are desperate for work.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

BINGO!!!! And nobody with a good reputation in the NFL is going to want to come to Washington and put up with that unless they are desperate for work.

I think you guys are being very presumptous that "no one" will come here. I wouldn't be so quick to think that. Snyder has brought a lot of "no ones" here.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think you guys are being very presumptous that "no one" will come here. I wouldn't be so quick to think that. Snyder has brought a lot of "no ones" here.

Like who? A college coach that had no business in the NFL? A QB coach that was put in over his head? The only two reliable moves Snyder has made was hiring Schotty and Gibbs, and he fired Marty and Gibbs retired. I haven't seen anything much from Vinny that tells me he needs to stay in Washington.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Like who? A college coach that had no business in the NFL? A QB coach that was put in over his head? The only two reliable moves Snyder has made was hiring Schotty and Gibbs, and he fired Marty and Gibbs retired. I haven't seen anything much from Vinny that tells me he needs to stay in Washington.

No don't get it twisted, Vinny needs to go. But out of the menu of choices that were presented me and the reasons why, Vinny hasn't been that much worse than Gibbs. I'm willing to be wrong about this if you can sift through who drafted whom.

And like I said, Gibbs has those intangibles that are difficult to find in today's NFL. But if it was all about intangibles and character, we wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No don't get it twisted, Vinny needs to go. But out of the menu of choices that were presented me and the reasons why, Vinny hasn't been that much worse than Gibbs. I'm willing to be wrong about this if you can sift through who drafted whom.

And like I said, Gibbs has those intangibles that are difficult to find in today's NFL. But if it was all about intangibles and character, we wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

Why are you going back to draft picks? This position has nothing to do with player personnel. This is about someone who could build an organization up from the front office (which is where it NEEDS improvement) and those guys that are hired are the ones who build the team. Gibbs never owned a racing team in his life. He built the team and the team won championships. Why would you think he could not do this with football, a sport that he has been successful with as a coach?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why are you going back to draft picks? This position has nothing to do with player personnel. This is about someone who could build an organization up from the front office (which is where it NEEDS improvement) and those guys that are hired are the ones who build the team. Gibbs never owned a racing team in his life. He built the team and the team won championships. Why would you think he could not do this with football, a sport that he has been successful with as a coach?

If we're comparing apples to apples, how else can I compare Vinny and Gibbs? I'm looking at the respective roster moves they are/were responsible for. And to completely frank here, I'm not sure who was responsible for drafting whom during Gibbs' second stint. I know Gibbs drafted Taylor, but Vinny may have liked him too.

Joe Gibbs is a great person and possesses certain qualities that are rare and valued in a leader. And yes he built a great racing organization, but his success here in Washington was because he had capable and intelligent men around him from top to bottom.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

If we're comparing apples to apples, how else can I compare Vinny and Gibbs? I'm looking at the respective roster moves they are/were responsible for. And to completely frank here, I'm not sure who was responsible for drafting whom during Gibbs' second stint. I know Gibbs drafted Taylor, but Vinny may have liked him too.

Joe Gibbs is a great person and possesses certain qualities that are rare and valued in a leader. And yes he built a great racing organization, but his success here in Washington was because he had capable nd intelligent men around him from top to bottom.

You seem to be discounting rather heavily the achievments of Joe like the the three Lombardies......
Rather average? Sort of like you or I could have done it in similar situations?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

If we're comparing apples to apples, how else can I compare Vinny and Gibbs? I'm looking at the respective roster moves they are/were responsible for. And to completely frank here, I'm not sure who was responsible for drafting whom during Gibbs' second stint. I know Gibbs drafted Taylor, but Vinny may have liked him too.

Joe Gibbs is a great person and possesses certain qualities that are rare and valued in a leader. And yes he built a great racing organization, but his success here in Washington was because he had capable and intelligent men around him from top to bottom.

Exactly why we need someone like Joe Gibbs or someone who has the respect that Gibbs carries in Washington so that we can hire those capable and intelligent men from top to bottom. Look at the process that the Redskins franchise went through in finding a head coach before last season: Who the heck hires all the coordinators before the head coach? Only to wind up promoting one of those coordinators to head coach because Snyder and company drew the process out so long? I don't see that as being intelligent or capable of building a great franchise. I understand being careful and not just hiring the first guy that comes through the doors with a resume, but geez, how many of the playoff/elite teams went through that same process to hire their GMs and coaches? What we have right now is broken. Gibbs does have CEO knowledge and football knowledge. Dan Snyder went bankrupt with six flags for pete's sake! Gibbs certainly isn't the only choice, but I would trust someone like him over Vinny.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why are you going back to draft picks? This position has nothing to do with player personnel. This is about someone who could build an organization up from the front office (which is where it NEEDS improvement) and those guys that are hired are the ones who build the team. Gibbs never owned a racing team in his life. He built the team and the team won championships. Why would you think he could not do this with football, a sport that he has been successful with as a coach?

Well said, not sure why some are so stuck on personnel, that's not what this potential position seems to be about.