PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

[SmootSmack]

Well the X factor I guess is Cerrato. Guys like Fassel and Gregg Williams (and who knows who else) couldn't work with Snyder if Cerrato was the third person in the triumvirate. Snyder made the decision to stick with Vinny and it seems to have backfired. Not that Williams or Fassel necessarily would have been the right choice. Anyhow, I suspect no one (except maybe LaVar) would have an issue working with Snyder if Gibbs was the other guy in the equation.

Again, I don't think Gibbs will come back when all is said and done but I think he could be an asset. He does have that ability to influence up close and personal, but he also is a skilled CEO who knows how to step up and properly delegate and reward.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the X factor I guess is Cerrato. Guys like Fassel and Gregg Williams (and who knows who else) couldn't work with Snyder if Cerrato was the third person in the triumvirate. Snyder made the decision to stick with Vinny and it seems to have backfired. Not that Williams or Fassel necessarily would have been the right choice. Anyhow, I suspect no one (except maybe LaVar) would have an issue working with Snyder if Gibbs was the other guy in the equation.

Again, I don't think Gibbs will come back when all is said and done but I think he could be an asset. He does have that ability to influence up close and personal, but he also is a skilled CEO who knows how to step up and properly delegate and reward.

The thing I'm against the most about all of this is the fanfare that comes along with the move. It's just impossible to know that Joe Gibbs is somewhere in the building and not think Super Bowl. All the pieces have to be perfectly aligned and snyched for that to be a healthy environment. And the last thing this organization needs is for there to be a disconnect between top brass and the guys playing between the white lines on Sunday.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The thing I'm against the most about all of this is the fanfare that comes along with the move. It's just impossible to know that Joe Gibbs is somewhere in the building and not think Super Bowl. All the pieces have to be perfectly aligned and snyched for that to be a healthy environment. And the last thing this organization needs is for there to be a disconnect between top brass and the guys playing between the white lines on Sunday.

I have a feeling that disconnect has already been disconnected long before this conversation ever came up.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the X factor I guess is Cerrato. Guys like Fassel and Gregg Williams (and who knows who else) couldn't work with Snyder if Cerrato was the third person in the triumvirate. Snyder made the decision to stick with Vinny and it seems to have backfired. Not that Williams or Fassel necessarily would have been the right choice. Anyhow, I suspect no one (except maybe LaVar) would have an issue working with Snyder if Gibbs was the other guy in the equation.

Again, I don't think Gibbs will come back when all is said and done but I think he could be an asset. He does have that ability to influence up close and personal, but he also is a skilled CEO who knows how to step up and properly delegate and reward.

Seems like the problem was that all the potential options (after Schwartz pulled his name) were very flawed.

Snyder had good options, but he took a very long time in the process, losing some of the better names while waiting for different names.

Sadly, the same indecisiveness may have cost us a chance to salvage the season. The Detroit loss was bad, but we followed it up with a disappointing 1-2, which could have been 3-0 if we had taken a different organizational approach and gave Zorn the vote of confidence when it was appropriate.

Would it have mattered if we were 4-2, but go out this week and lose to the Eagles because they are a better team? I don't think so. This is not a good enough team to make the playoffs. But management really, really made this a bigger mess by waiting. Again.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Seems like the problem was that all the potential options (after Schwartz pulled his name) were very flawed.

Snyder had good options, but he took a very long time in the process, losing some of the better names while waiting for different names.

Sadly, the same indecisiveness may have cost us a chance to salvage the season. The Detroit loss was bad, but we followed it up with a disappointing 1-2, which could have been 3-0 if we had taken a different organizational approach and gave Zorn the vote of confidence when it was appropriate.

Would it have mattered if we were 4-2, but go out this week and lose to the Eagles because they are a better team? I don't think so. This is not a good enough team to make the playoffs. But management really, really made this a bigger mess by waiting. Again.

I agree. And it's why I have lost confidence in DS finally. He just can't make good football decisions. Maybe he is TOO CLOSE emotionally to the Redskins. He tried to be patient for whatever reason. Be it image-related or simply that he thought Zorn just needed time. Either way it was a bad decision. One in a long line of them. I don't lack confidence that DS wants to win more than anything. I doubt his ability to make the right decisions to do so. Wanting and doing are very different things.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. And it's why I have lost confidence in DS finally. He just can't make good football decisions. Maybe he is TOO CLOSE emotionally to the Redskins. He tried to be patient for whatever reason. Be it image-related or simply that he thought Zorn just needed time. Either way it was a bad decision. One in a long line of them. I don't lack confidence that DS wants to win more than anything. I doubt his ability to make the right decisions to do so. Wanting and doing are very different things.

Agreed. I have two opposing thought processes off of this:

#1) The franchise is screwed because the only thing Snyder fears more than another decade of losing is that someone else gets credit for fixing the team

#2) The franchise is not screwed because they've done relatively well in the draft, and some chair shifting of the off-season sort can get them back on the winning track.

Of course, the million dollar question is not "can this team be fixed?" its "who can fix this team?"

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. And it's why I have lost confidence in DS finally. He just can't make good football decisions. Maybe he is TOO CLOSE emotionally to the Redskins. He tried to be patient for whatever reason. Be it image-related or simply that he thought Zorn just needed time. Either way it was a bad decision. One in a long line of them. I don't lack confidence that DS wants to win more than anything. I doubt his ability to make the right decisions to do so. Wanting and doing are very different things.

On that same note, I also don't think him selling the team is the solution either. But if Snyder is still in the picture, I'm still not sure how much Gibbs can affect the culture.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

On that same note, I also don't think him selling the team is the solution either. But if Snyder is still in the picture, I'm still not sure how much Gibbs can affect the culture.

I definitely have similar questions. But if Snyder would ever just hand it over to someone it would be Gibbs. He loves the man. My biggest hesitation is whether Gibbs himself has the personality to come in and tell Snyder go away. He was far more deferential with Snyder than he should have been in my estimation. And I don't understand why. I get the feeling that Gibbs is a big chain-of-command type guy and with Snyder being his "boss" he didn't ever throw his rather hefty football weight around.To me a guy like Gibbs has the credentials to look DS in the eye and tell him he shouldn't ever be involved with a real football decision ever again and if DS doesn't like it then Gibbs can walk. Parcells would...Belicheck would...Bill Walsh would. Would Gibbs? Or would he just try to make it work? I'm not sure. We all want a GM. More importantly what we all want is DS NOT MAKING ANY MORE FOOTBALL DECISIONS.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Again, I don't think Gibbs will come back when all is said and done but I think he could be an asset. He does have that ability to influence up close and personal, but he also is a skilled CEO who knows how to step up and properly delegate and reward.

Exactly...and this is what we need. A culture change. Forget the who's and the how's. We need a culture change in the FO of this org. To me Gibbs seems like the perfect guy for that. Almost without fail the people he brings in as football guys are good in terms of football and just plain management style. I would argue our product on the field when Gibbs was here the second time was not reflective of the better culture he worked to build. Given the opportunity to step back from coaching and personnel he might be able to actually effect some permanent change to the FO instead on the temporary we had while he was here.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Exactly...and this is what we need. A culture change. Forget the who's and the how's. We need a culture change in the FO of this org. To me Gibbs seems like the perfect guy for that. Almost without fail the people he brings in as football guys are good in terms of football and just plain management style. I would argue our product on the field when Gibbs was here the second time was not reflective of the better culture he worked to build. Given the opportunity to step back from coaching and personnel he might be able to actually effect some permanent change to the FO instead on the temporary we had while he was here.

Also, we have been questioning why we went from 6-2 to 2-6. Perhaps part of that 6-2 was residual from the team coming together under Gibbs. I would proffer that, the only times that Team Turmoil has not reigned around here was during Gibbs tenure. Smoot has already pointed out that he cleaned up the business side of some of the more petty types. Perhaps the culture was on its way to changing but it couldn't survive VC's universally condemned interpersonal skills (or lack thereof).

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by joeredskin

also, we have been questioning why we went from 6-2 to 2-6. Perhaps part of that 6-2 was residual from the team coming together under gibbs. I would proffer that, the only times that team turmoil has not reigned around here was during gibbs tenure. Smoot has already pointed out that he cleaned up the business side of some of the more petty types. Perhaps the culture was on its way to changing but it couldn't survive vc's universally condemned interpersonal skills (or lack thereof).

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