Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year?

[skinsfaninok]

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!! As far as cp.. Who cares? He is getting old anyway. What we need to do is trade that bumb ass qb of ours and fire zorn

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!! As far as cp.. Who cares? He is getting old anyway. What we need to do is trade that bumb ass qb of ours and fire zorn

If you would have read what he asked instead of the first 8 words you would know that he wasn't debating the effectiveness of this move but rather the cap hit ramifications.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

If you would have read what he asked instead of the first 8 words you would know that he wasn't debating the effectiveness of this move but rather the cap hit ramifications.

Ok I understand but doing that would set us back even more.. And as far as this uncapped year, I doubt we will make many moves that will differ our team that much anyways

[GridIron26]

Haynesworth have been playing pretty good, why should we trade him? The contract is the issue, but once again, the uncapped is next year.. I'm pretty sure Snyder has enough money to pay all guaranteed in the contract off next year..

As for Portis; it's somewhat sticky situation I think.. I don't think it would be easy to trade him because I don't think there will be a team who would want to give up a good round pick for a guy who we ran for 300's almost ever year with an expensive contract?? That is unless a team is looking for a RB who can block.. What I think we should do is we must find a way to restructure his contract or just pay off the guaranteed, as well.. Portis is important in passing plays; he blocks like a great FB.. And we can use him for close 3rd down plays or something like that..

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Haynesworth have been playing pretty good, why should we trade him? The contract is the issue, but once again, the uncapped is next year.. I'm pretty sure Snyder has enough money to pay all guaranteed in the contract off next year..

As for Portis; it's somewhat sticky situation I think.. I don't think it would be easy to trade him because I don't think there will be a team who would want to give up a good round pick for a guy who we ran for 300's almost ever year with an expensive contract?? That is unless a team is looking for a RB who can block.. What I think we should do is we must find a way to restructure his contract or just pay off the guaranteed, as well.. Portis is important in passing plays; he blocks like a great FB.. And we can use him for close 3rd down plays or something like that..

I mentioned Al because he is one of the few players that would garner multiple pick trade interest.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I mentioned Al because he is one of the few players that would garner mutliple pick trade interest.

Well, if you are talking about like 1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd? or 1st and 1st for next draft then I would definitely consider it.. Otherwise, I'm not going to give up a player that make some players better.. Yes, he gets exhausted fast but he makes up by making plays..

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!!

Because, he's Gus Frerotte.


As for Portis, the answer (cap-wise) is no. We'll never get enough in return to make up for his big salary.

I still think Portis has something left in the tank if he had a line in front of him and didn't have to run the same play every time. He just had the longest run of his career. We're better off keeping him and trying to keep him fresh AND blocked for, a lot like the NJ Jets are doing to keep Thomas Jones productive as he's getting older.

[munny]

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by munny

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

[munny]

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by munny

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

Although I'm not 100% certain; I think it's more of due to scheme issues. Blache always have Hall to give receivers 10 yards cushion or something like that.. It's pretty difficult to shut down receivers when you are 10 yards away; trust me, I know..

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

AH has pretty well IMO. Everybody is on him about the # of plays he's on the field for. Guess what, other teams sub too. Imagine that.

Hall on the other hand, i'll disagree w/ you. He's not bad. He's above average tops. He's not worth the money we paid him. We overpaid, big time. As usual right. He does make some int's which is great though but just not a shut down cb.

[munny]

I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by munny

I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.

Isn't Carter second in the NFC with 6 sacks, and doesn't Orakpo have 4?

[sportscurmudgeon]

Given the amount of guaranteed money left on Portis' deal - and that the team acquiring him in a trade acquires the existing contract - I doubt you'd find any team willing to give the Skins more than a conditional fifth round pick for him.


Add to the burden that his contract brings the diva reputation he has shaped for himself and it might be a conditional sixth round pick is the best offer out there...