Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by munny

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

[munny]

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by munny

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

Although I'm not 100% certain; I think it's more of due to scheme issues. Blache always have Hall to give receivers 10 yards cushion or something like that.. It's pretty difficult to shut down receivers when you are 10 yards away; trust me, I know..

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

AH has pretty well IMO. Everybody is on him about the # of plays he's on the field for. Guess what, other teams sub too. Imagine that.

Hall on the other hand, i'll disagree w/ you. He's not bad. He's above average tops. He's not worth the money we paid him. We overpaid, big time. As usual right. He does make some int's which is great though but just not a shut down cb.

[munny]

I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by munny

I think Haynesworth has played fine too. He has done what we wanted, and he has always needed to be subbed out. We just don't have strong enough ends to really make it pay off with sacks. BUT... he is overpriced for what he gives us.

Isn't Carter second in the NFC with 6 sacks, and doesn't Orakpo have 4?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Isn't Carter second in the NFC with 6 sacks, and doesn't Orakpo have 4?

Remember we are also the team that "couldn't get a sack if we worked at Giant." And Hall has how many INTs? Now if the D could get a couple scores, than maybe atleast that side of the ball would not be a laugh!

[sportscurmudgeon]

Given the amount of guaranteed money left on Portis' deal - and that the team acquiring him in a trade acquires the existing contract - I doubt you'd find any team willing to give the Skins more than a conditional fifth round pick for him.


Add to the burden that his contract brings the diva reputation he has shaped for himself and it might be a conditional sixth round pick is the best offer out there...

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Given the amount of guaranteed money left on Portis' deal - and that the team acquiring him in a trade acquires the existing contract - I doubt you'd find any team willing to give the Skins more than a conditional fifth round pick for him.


Add to the burden that his contract brings the diva reputation he has shaped for himself and it might be a conditional sixth round pick is the best offer out there...

At least we will get a pick for him.. I mean, we found few good players from late rounds such as Doughty, Horton (granted, vinny had help), Golston, and maybe Mitchell?