The line is quite offensive right now

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

If we spend a 1st on an OT, I would think he'd eventually be moved to LT, but yeah if Levi could hold that down in the meantime it would certainly make rebuilding easier.

I think 3 new starters is realistic, 1 in fa & 2 in the draft, assuming that high picks are used for o line. I just wonder if they won't use the 1st or 2nd on a rb. I would love to see CJ Spiller in b & g, but would hate to see him taken in the 1st.

Wow I was thinking same on CJ Spiller. Man maybe get him in the 3rd or 4th not sure he last that he would last that long. We have to draft O-Line because we can not run or pass protect with this group now.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?

I think that with a good RT we'll be okay with Rinehart or possibly Williams. If Jones can handle LT, Dock comes back, I see the 2 biggest needs at C and RT.

I think out of last year's draft only Mack and the kid in Buffalo have started at C.. Luigs has gotten some play though, but for the most part other than 1st round C's, you don't see a lot of rookies starting. That means we've gotta find what we want in Edwin Williams or find someone that can hold it down for at least a couple of years similar to what we'll need Levi Jones for. I think this year would be the one to pick the best tackle at under the assumption that he's starting at RT, if not LT. LT might actually be advantageous since he'd be working with a decent G in Dockery, unless we can find something similar at RG to compliment whoever it was.

But yeah, we NEED 2, 3 would be very nice.

[Longtimefan]

The play of the OL so far this season has made just about every member of this board look like the finest GM's in the NFL. Everyone here, for quite some time now have been clamoring for O-lineman, our pleas have fallen on death ears, and what we're seeing now is the result of that negligence.

Right now, it is what it is, there's no help available until we're in better position to address the need.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The play of the OL so far this season has made just about every member of this board look like the finest GM's in the NFL. Everyone here, for quite some time now have been clamoring for O-lineman, our pleas have fallen on death ears, and what we're seeing now is the result of that negligence.

Right now, it is what it is, there's no help available until we're in better position to address the need.

Did you hear C. CArter last night on espn? He said that Snyder's actions reflect poorly on the whole nfl, because when fans see a team run this way, they start to believe that they can make decisions better than the people running the team. Your post totally supports what he said. I can't disagree w/it.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Did you hear C. CArter last night on espn? He said that Snyder's actions reflect poorly on the whole nfl, because when fans see a team run this way, they start to believe that they can make decisions better than the people running the team. Your post totally supports what he said. I can't disagree w/it.

We are the laughingstock of the NFL right now... we're being mocked, snickered at, etc for so many things that we're failing at. A lot of the time they'll be like this team is just playing horribly this year... for us it's the "oh I guess THAT'S the playcalling" or whatever and they get a nice little laugh out of it. The difference isn't that the media hates us, it's that they know that our organization has brought it upon ourselves with all of these ridiculous moves. I wonder how many of the guys know our contract situations, because that's something that we hardly ever hear about until draft-preseason time... if they knew the money that we had locked up into some of these guys it'd be insane

[Redskin Warrior]

I wonder how bad JC's ankle is he was limping pretty bad? OL is top priority in the offseason and we need them to come from the draft not FA get younger there then worries about the QB.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I wonder how bad JC's ankle is he was limping pretty bad? OL is top priority in the offseason and we need them to come from the draft not FA get younger there then worries about the QB.

Yeah, he was getting downright abused all night, luckily there is a Bye week. He had to have it taped up in the first half and played fairly well with it for the rest of the game, so I'm not worried.

[Trample the Elderly]

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

Trample - I agree and I remember many of your posts about getting Mack and I wish the Skins had listened. I truely think that the Skins draft 2 new lineman and 1 free agent - with the first pick being Russell Okung to solidify the left tackle spot for the next 5-7 years - if we are lucky enough that he is available when we pick. The other pick being either a guard or center - I just don't see us picking both bookend tackles in the same draft. I think we see both Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels gone from the Redskins next year - I like both of these guys but we need to recommit to building the line with youth and using high picks to get them. If the CBA falls through and we go uncapped I can see the Skins going extreme and using the 1st and 2nd round picks on lineman and plugging the other 2 offensive lineman positions with free agents -the only holdover would be Dockery as the other 4 are nothing to build the long term future with. even with this next year would be a learning year as the new line gets in sync and used to eachother.

Also I think the stopgap measure is we bring in a veteran qb to be picked by the next coach/gm and let him take the reigns for a year or two or use Colt - as many have correctly pointed out it does not matter who you put back there without a decent line they will be killed.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Trample - I agree and I remember many of your posts about getting Mack and I wish the Skins had listened. I truely think that the Skins draft 2 new lineman and 1 free agent - with the first pick being Russell Okung to solidify the left tackle spot for the next 5-7 years - if we are lucky enough that he is available when we pick. The other pick being either a guard or center - I just don't see us picking both bookend tackles in the same draft. I think we see both Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels gone from the Redskins next year - I like both of these guys but we need to recommit to building the line with youth and using high picks to get them. If the CBA falls through and we go uncapped I can see the Skins going extreme and using the 1st and 2nd round picks on lineman and plugging the other 2 offensive lineman positions with free agents -the only holdover would be Dockery as the other 4 are nothing to build the long term future with. even with this next year would be a learning year as the new line gets in sync and used to eachother.

Also I think the stopgap measure is we bring in a veteran qb to be picked by the next coach/gm and let him take the reigns for a year or two or use Colt - as many have correctly pointed out it does not matter who you put back there without a decent line they will be killed.

Perhaps, but you're assuming that we'll have someone who knows what he's doing making our picks. If it's Cerrato and his dope spoon making the picks, then the results will be the same, no disrespect to the spoon.

A blind man would've known our line sucked. Seriously, a blind man could've listened to the radio and said to himself, "Man that Campbell kid sure does spend a lot of time on his back".

It's frustrating as hell. Going into this season was like watching a plane take off with an 1/8 of JP 5 in its wings. You know the birds going down, and soon.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

You weren't the only one saying that.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wow, I am simply amazed at how piss poor the OL is. At this point it doesn't matter who is behind center, I'm frankly worried for JC right now. If this keeps up he's not going to last too much longer. He's shell shocked at this point.

Why not get Pete Kendall in here and plug him in at RG, or move Dockery and put Kendall at LG?? Can it really hurt at this point? Also, Levi Jones needs to get coached up and be starting at LT after the bye, no excuses. Heyer is just pathetic at LT and merely serviceable at RT.

Looking ahead to next year the potential free agents are here, but that list could look much different with no cap as 4 year free agents will suddenly not be available until after year 5.

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL

Whoever is calling the personnel shots next offseason better have the OL as priorities #1, #2, and #3.

Get Jared Gaither.




(I actually have him on my Madden franchise with the Skins)

[Big C]

we definitely need a center and a couple of tackles. i really think rinehart or montgomery could be ok down the line, especially rinehart. montgomery is a good backup to have. i think we should take a chance on a guy like max hall from byu in the later rounds. only major problem here is there are no good free agent qbs besides kyle orton, so that really limits us to the draft in a very weak qb class at the very top.

[MTK]

Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.

While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.