The line is quite offensive right now

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinster

Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come

I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

You are correct sir!

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

[Dirtbag59]

What we need for next year is to bring in some Free Agents and use the 2nd, 4th, and 5th round to bring in O-Line prospects. Obviously the 1st rounder will be used on a QB, or should Vinny still be around, a TE.

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

On the list of FA OL, I would consider:

Evans
McNeil
Hamilton
Gaither
Kaczur

I would love to add McNeil but the Chargers can't be dumb enough to let him go on the open market.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinster

who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

we've only drafted qb 1st round 3 times since 1990 and JC was at the ass end of the round

I'm not saying that it's the answer though

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinster

who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

You are displaying the thinking that got us into this position. Our problem is not our quarterback. You think Orton, Sanchez or hell Manning or Brady would have been any different last night? I have seen the body language that Campbell displayed before, he looked exactly like Patrick Ramsey. He was a punching bag and was just waiting for the hits to come.

What did Gibbs with with? It wasn't the QB, it was the line. The only constant of our dominating teams was the offensive line.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

You are displaying the thinking that got us into this position. Our problem is not our quarterback. You think Orton, Sanchez or hell Manning or Brady would have been any different last night? I have seen the body language that Campbell displayed before, he looked exactly like Patrick Ramsey. He was a punching bag and was just waiting for the hits to come.

What did Gibbs with with? It wasn't the QB, it was the line. The only constant of our dominating teams was the offensive line.

Its a different game today than in Gibbs's day. It is much more Pass oriented. Out of the top 17 QB's with the top passer ratings, none of those teams have a losing record, and SD and Balt are the only teams who are 3-3. Also 10 out of those 17 were first round QB's. I am well aware that a QB does not solve all the problems, but it helps out significantly more than any other position. We just missed on talent when drafting our guys. I don't think JC is the worst, but I also think he is not capable of taking us to a superbowl.

Yes I do think Manning or Brady would have been better. Manning has played behind a shit offensive line before and still worked wonders. Last year Rothlesberger played behind arguably one of the worst lines in the league.
Just for the record, I am a believer in the offensive line, but I think one out of 5 pieces of an O-line is not as important as the guy getting the ball every play. An offensive line is pretty much only as strong as it's weakest member while a QB can make things happen any given play.

[Pocket$ $traight]

This isn't a surprise but at this point they need to come up with the plan on how to address the line. The good news is that they are positioned to overhaul the line in one offseason. Here are my suggestions:

Do not sign one of these over the hill lineman unless it is for Vet minimum and they come in knowing that they have to FIGHT for a starting job. I don't want a band-aid, I want a solution. Every dollar counts.

We are going to have our first and second draft picks. The first pick should be a premium starter for a decade hopefully a tackle. Given the bums on our line, the second pick should end up being a starter as well. Best available Tackle, Guard or Center.

Then, we need to pay market rate (or slightly above which is our MO) for the best available young FA tackle. We need bookends for 5-10 years. We also need a roadgrater at RG. I want a big monster who will punish the opponent. Maybe Mike Williams can be that guy but it has to happen.

Heyer is garbage and needs to go. GARBAGE. Nice story, see ya later.
Rabach is expendible if you ask me. He can't even snap shotgun so we need an upgrade there.

So Dock and (big maybe) Mike Williams should be the only returning starters. I could be talked into Rabach but there better not be a better option left on the table.

In the later rounds of the draft we need truly fast skill players. We need speed on offense. If there is a promising corner and linebacker, I am fine with that but we have to draft another runningback.

Looking forward to saying goodbye to:

Randle-El, Heyer, Rogers, Campbell, Wynn, Montgomery and maybe Kelly

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This isn't a surprise but at this point they need to come up with the plan on how to address the line. The good news is that they are positioned to overhaul the line in one offseason. Here are my suggestions:

Do not sign one of these over the hill lineman unless it is for Vet minimum and they come in knowing that they have to FIGHT for a starting job. I don't want a band-aid, I want a solution. Every dollar counts.

We are going to have our first and second draft picks. The first pick should be a premium starter for a decade hopefully a tackle. Given the bums on our line, the second pick should end up being a starter as well. Best available Tackle, Guard or Center.

Then, we need to pay market rate (or slightly above which is our MO) for the best available young FA tackle. We need bookends for 5-10 years. We also need a roadgrater at RG. I want a big monster who will punish the opponent. Maybe Mike Williams can be that guy but it has to happen.

Heyer is garbage and needs to go. GARBAGE. Nice story, see ya later.
Rabach is expendible if you ask me. He can't even snap shotgun so we need an upgrade there.

So Dock and (big maybe) Mike Williams should be the only returning starters. I could be talked into Rabach but there better not be a better option left on the table.

In the later rounds of the draft we need truly fast skill players. We need speed on offense. If there is a promising corner and linebacker, I am fine with that but we have to draft another runningback.

Looking forward to saying goodbye to:

Randle-El, Heyer, Rogers, Campbell, Wynn, Montgomery and maybe Kelly

This won't happen. There will be much more of an emphasis placed on the draft in the uncapped world. Players will be restricted free agents until they have 6 years of experience in the NFL. Therefore, "paying market value for a good young tackle" more than likely includes a first round pick. That's not really worth it. There won't be a lot of good young players available.

And teams will be able to use both the Franchise and Transition tag in the same offseason with no cap, so that's 2 fewer players per team who will be available. I'd definitely franchise my youngish tackle if he were up for UFA.

Also, Campbell and Rogers will both be RFA's so it would take a qualifying offer to either keep them or receive compensation for them (this should at least be done in the case of Rogers).

With the new rules taking effect, it's going to be very difficult to build a team without a whole bunch of picks which means if there isn't a legit GM in Washington soon, we can cut everyone we want, but don't count on them being effectively replaced.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jdlea

This won't happen. There will be much more of an emphasis placed on the draft in the uncapped world. Players will be restricted free agents until they have 6 years of experience in the NFL. Therefore, "paying market value for a good young tackle" more than likely includes a first round pick. That's not really worth it. There won't be a lot of good young players available.

And teams will be able to use both the Franchise and Transition tag in the same offseason with no cap, so that's 2 fewer players per team who will be available. I'd definitely franchise my youngish tackle if he were up for UFA.

Also, Campbell and Rogers will both be RFA's so it would take a qualifying offer to either keep them or receive compensation for them (this should at least be done in the case of Rogers).

With the new rules taking effect, it's going to be very difficult to build a team without a whole bunch of picks which means if there isn't a legit GM in Washington soon, we can cut everyone we want, but don't count on them being effectively replaced.

Every year a few good linemen are available. And don't discount the fact that some agents know that Snyder will be looking for a big name lineman and will do what it takes to get their clients a contract here.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Every year a few good linemen are available. And don't discount the fact that some agents know that Snyder will be looking for a big name lineman and will do what it takes to get their clients a contract here.

That's not the point. I just talked about why there won't be good young linemen available like you suggested we get. It's going to be tough acquire young linemen when they'll be RESTRICTED Free Agents until they're ~28.

[Big C]

pike maybe, zac i dont think will translate to the pro game well.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Big C

pike maybe, zac i dont think will translate to the pro game well.

Pike seems a lot like a Joe Flacco to me. I'd take that in a second. I like Zac Robinson's pocket awareness, feet, and quick release.