Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Monkeydad]

I believe the best course of action is:

*Draft another QB. Maybe McCoy, anyone but Tebow. I'd prefer that we pick up a top O-lineman with the high pick we're going to have, but as long as we cover the O-line throughout the draft, I'll be happy.

*Start Campbell with the new coach, hopefully Gruden. With a good line and new coach, I truly believe Campbell will be GREAT...not just good enough, but great. IF he can't cut it with an offensive line and new coach, the rookie or Colt Brennan steps in and it's officially the end of his era.

Campbell is playing very well this year in this Titanic-like offense. With a complete team and competent staff around him, I believe he'll do great things. We can't continue a QB carousel, we've been doing it since Rypien and it is clearly not working. Let's truly develop a QB into our leader.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe the best course of action is:

*Draft another QB. Maybe McCoy, anyone but Tebow. I'd prefer that we pick up a top O-lineman with the high pick we're going to have, but as long as we cover the O-line throughout the draft, I'll be happy.

*Start Campbell with the new coach, hopefully Gruden. With a good line and new coach, I truly believe Campbell will be GREAT...not just good enough, but great. IF he can't cut it with an offensive line and new coach, the rookie or Colt Brennan steps in and it's officially the end of his era.

Campbell is playing very well this year in this Titanic-like offense. With a complete team and competent staff around him, I believe he'll do great things. We can't continue a QB carousel, we've been doing it since Rypien and it is clearly not working. Let's truly develop a QB into our leader.

I still don't understand how you can say that Campbell is playing very well. There was a number of plays that were completely his fault this year, including many last night.

He has developed the physical tools to play qb in the nfl, but not a lot of mental skills. As a quarterback, decision-making is THE most important skill to have.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I still don't understand how you can say that Campbell is playing very well. There was a number of plays that were completely his fault this year, including many last night.

He has developed the physical tools to play qb in the nfl, but not a lot of mental skills. As a quarterback, decision-making is THE most important skill to have.

Exactly

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I still don't understand how you can say that Campbell is playing very well. There was a number of plays that were completely his fault this year, including many last night.

He has developed the physical tools to play qb in the nfl, but not a lot of mental skills. As a quarterback, decision-making is THE most important skill to have.

You can't agree that many of Campbell's mistakes are directly tied to the lack of protection and time to make decisions?

Gruden mentioned about JC's "happy feet", but can you blame him with as many hits, mostly immediate hits that he's taking with this joke of a line TRYING to block for him?

Last season, he had a weak line in the second half, but it wasn't this bad. He threw the fewest INTs of any full-time starting QB last year, even with a broken-down line in the second half. He's clearly capable of playing mistake-free football if he has even a little talent around him...which he doesn't this season.



Thanks for all of the incredibly-stimulating commentary, SOUL-SKINS.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

You can't agree that many of Campbell's mistakes are directly tied to the lack of protection and time to make decisions?

Gruden mentioned about JC's "happy feet", but can you blame him with as many hits, mostly immediate hits that he's taking with this joke of a line TRYING to block for him?

Last season, he had a weak line in the second half, but it wasn't this bad. He threw the fewest INTs of any full-time starting QB last year, even with a broken-down line in the second half. He's clearly capable of playing mistake-free football if he has even a little talent around him...which he doesn't this season.



Thanks for all of the incredibly-stimulating commentary, SOUL-SKINS.

You can back up your opinion of Campbell with your presentation of the stats.

I'll back up my opinion of Campbell with analysis expressed by respected former quarterbacks, coaches, and general managers. And I'll add that my opinion of Campbell was made before them (respected former...).

Now what is your opinion of who is more credible.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You can back up your opinion of Campbell with your presentation of the stats.

I'll back up my opinion of Campbell with analysis expressed by respected former quarterbacks, coaches, and general managers. And I'll add that my opinion of Campbell was made before them (respected former...).

Now what is your opinion of who is more credible.

Isn't this like saying, "what's more credible, the interpretation of these results, or the opinion of others who are interpreting the same results."

The correct answer is: the evidence is exactly the same. The results are only obvious if you take the big picture approach, which neither side here is doing. You and Buster are taking parts of the picture, and presenting it so that it looks like each of you is right.

For what it's worth, he's doing a much better job, simply because he's not deferring to second or third sources. His arguments are quite disputable, but certainly not by saying, "television tells me otherwise".

Your admission that your mind was already made up, while necessary for full disclosure, more or less kills your objectivity.

[Trample the Elderly]

Campbell's numbers dont lie. Neither does the turf in his helmet.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Campbell's numbers dont lie. Neither does the turf in his helmet.

Or the numerous times he missed WIDE OPEN players down field with no one in his face...or the amount of times he had time and fumbled.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Isn't this like saying, "what's more credible, the interpretation of these results, or the opinion of others who are interpreting the same results."

The correct answer is: the evidence is exactly the same. The results are only obvious if you take the big picture approach, which neither side here is doing. You and Buster are taking parts of the picture, and presenting it so that it looks like each of you is right.

For what it's worth, he's doing a much better job, simply because he's not deferring to second or third sources. His arguments are quite disputable, but certainly not by saying, "television tells me otherwise".

Your admission that your mind was already made up, while necessary for full disclosure, more or less kills your objectivity.

Of course in this case the opinions of others like Steve Young, Gruden, Ron Jaworski, and Charley Casserly is more credible than yours or Buster's.

By you saying that this is "television telling me otherwise" is as incorrect as saying that the "internet is telling me that campbell's numbers don't lie."

In any case, Buster's objectivity already seems shot by saying that campbell is playing very well this season.

[Green1]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Of course in this case the opinions of others like Steve Young, Gruden, Ron Jaworski, and Charley Casserly is more credible than yours or Buster's.

By you saying that this is "television telling me otherwise" is as incorrect as saying that the "internet is telling me that campbell's numbers don't lie."

In any case, Buster's objectivity already seems shot by saying that campbell is playing very well this season.

So I guess you would rather have Jake Delhomey or JaMarcus Russell as Qb. The Line is the worst in the league but its JC's fault huh?