Denial of free speech @ games?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

What if every fan that came to the next home game was wearing a Dan and Vinny are butt weasels T-shirt and all the fans refused to take them off? What then? The game would be played to an empty stadium?
I think Danny and Vinny are stupid, they do not realize they are playing with fire.
By denying the fans the right to poke fun at the FO they are going to alienate more fans and add fuel to the building fire.
This is yet another example of Danny's ego is more important than anything else...like the team, the fans, the franchise. Danny will never learn. He behaves like a spoiled child.
Who the fuck does he think is? That he is not open to criticism? That by definition is childish.
Ready, Fire, Aim!

Perfectly accurate.

True men understand the value of criticism, and appreciate it for what it's worth. Weak men get angry. Dan Snyder represents much of what is wrong with people today.

[skinsguy]

I'm all for freedom of speech, but if these people are that disgruntled with Snyder, wouldn't it speak louder to just not go to the games?

At the same time, throwing these people out is definitely thin skinned. Without the fans, there is no Daniel Snyder, there is no full stadium, there is no Washington Redskins. So, I DO think people have the right to voice their displeasure inside the stadium. Fans were even approached by security in the parking lots. Now, that is above and beyond.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm all for freedom of speech, but if these people are that disgruntled with Snyder, wouldn't it speak louder to just not go to the games?

At the same time, throwing these people out is definitely thin skinned. Without the fans, there is no Daniel Snyder, there is no full stadium, there is no Washington Redskins. So, I DO think people have the right to voice their displeasure inside the stadium. Fans were even approached by security in the parking lots. Now, that is above and beyond.

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

Exactly! I didn't see one fan wearing any of those shirts on TV. But, if I had tuned in and noticed that half the stadium is empty (like it was last week,) then I would know something is wrong.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Exactly! I didn't see one fan wearing any of those shirts on TV. But, if I had tuned in and noticed that half the stadium is empty (like it was last week,) then I would know something is wrong.

You guys didn't see the protesters because they weren't allowed into the stadium (or had to give up their protesting materials). Did you guys even read the first post/article? Sheesh.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

I don't know about that. If I tune into a game and I know that the home team is 2-4 and I am seeing that the stadium is not even half filled, then that says to me that there is something really wrong with the team. And, honestly, I really doubt that football fans of other teams are going to care if Snyder is the problem or if it's Portis. They are going to see that fans must be so fed up with the team that they don't bother even showing up to the stadium. I mean anyways, if one watches football on a regular basis, they would have to be living under a rock to not know that Daniel Snyder is not a very well liked owner amongst the Redskins fans and across the league.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't know about that. If I tune into a game and I know that the home team is 2-4 and I am seeing that the stadium is not even half filled, then that says to me that there is something really wrong with the team. And, honestly, I really doubt that football fans of other teams are going to care if Snyder is the problem or if it's Portis. They are going to see that fans must be so fed up with the team that they don't bother even showing up to the stadium. I mean anyways, if one watches football on a regular basis, they would have to be living under a rock to not know that Daniel Snyder is not a very well liked owner amongst the Redskins fans and across the league.

But, you're stuck with the bill dude! No matter what! Season ticket holders pay for the whole season before the season starts. And they paid to see this crap? I mean, what are they going to do? Stay home and eat the cost of their tickets? Eat the thousands of dollars that they spent on them? Or.............get some frustration out! Head on up to that stadium and let everyone know how pissed off you are! You might as well. I mean, you're stuck with the tickets. You might as well have fun with it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Miller101

But, you're stuck with the bill dude! No matter what! Season ticket holders pay for the whole season before the season starts. And they paid to see this crap? I mean, what are they going to do? Stay home and eat the cost of their tickets? Eat the thousands of dollars that they spent on them? Or.............get some frustration out! Head on up to that stadium and let everyone know how pissed off you are! You might as well. I mean, you're stuck with the tickets. You might as well have fun with it.

Plus he enjoys the luxary of collecting interest on our money when we have to pay for out tickets in Febuary, and don't sit in a seat until September.

I'm never going to be strip-searched in any stadium, at any time.

[KI Skins Fan]

Despite all of these measures, some offensive signs were smuggled through security. Therefore, I think it may be time for Snyder to consider instituting random strip-searches of fans to put a stop to the offensive practice of smuggling signs into the stadium.

The P.G. County police know more about this type of thing than Snyder's rent-a-cops, so he might want to consider enlisting their help in this effort.

From a facilities point-of-view, the sign police could just set up rows of sanitized porta-potties near the turnstiles. This would provide a private, clean, and safe environment the fans who are strip-searched.

I'm not suggesting that any significant number of fans should be strip-searched. That would be ridiculous! Of course, no premium seat ticket-holders should be searched - they are the most loyal fans and they pay too much for their seats to be delayed at the stadium entrances. And only one percent or less of the people in the cheap seats should be asked to step into a porta-potty to be strip-searched. Fewer still should be asked to drop their drawers and bend over for a more thorough search for possible offensive signage hidden on their bodies.

This should provide a safer and more enjoyable stadium experience for the vast majority of fans who are not detained by police and strip-searched prior the game.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Despite all of these measures, some offensive signs were smuggled through security. Therefore, I think it may be time for Snyder to consider instituting random strip-searches of fans to put a stop to the offensive practice of smuggling signs into the stadium.

The P.G. County police know more about this type of thing than Snyder's rent-a-cops, so he might want to consider enlisting their help in this effort.

From a facilities point-of-view, the sign police could just set up rows of sanitized porta-potties near the turnstiles. This would provide a private, clean, and safe environment the fans who are strip-searched.

I'm not suggesting that any significant number of fans should be strip-searched. That would be ridiculous! Of course, no premium seat ticket-holders should be searched - they are the most loyal fans and they pay too much for their seats to be delayed at the stadium entrances. And only one percent or less of the people in the cheap seats would be asked to step into a porta-potty to be strip-searched. Fewer still would be asked to drop their drawers and bend over for a more thorough search for possible offensive signage hidden on their bodies.

This should provide a safer and more enjoyable stadium experience for the vast majority of fans who are not detained by police and strip-searched prior the game.

Wait a minute. So you're saying that those who do not pay for premium seating are not as loyal of fans as the ones who do? Dan, Vinny, is that you? First of all, if I was going to a Redskins game and the cops wanted to strip search me for no reason, then they had better obtain a warrant. Implementing strip searches is against one's rights without reasonable cause.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Wait a minute. So you're saying that those who do not pay for premium seating are not as loyal of fans as the ones who do? Dan, Vinny, is that you? First of all, if I was going to a Redskins game and the cops wanted to strip search me for no reason, then they had better obtain a warrant. Implementing strip searches is against one's rights without reasonable cause.

I have a hard time believing he wasn't being sarcastic.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I have a hard time believing he wasn't being sarcastic.

I really, really, hope so!

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Wait a minute. So you're saying that those who do not pay for premium seating are not as loyal of fans as the ones who do? Dan, Vinny, is that you? First of all, if I was going to a Redskins game and the cops wanted to strip search me for no reason, then they had better obtain a warrant. Implementing strip searches is against one's rights without reasonable cause.

Loyalty = $$$

I hadn't thought of the need for warrants. Well, maybe Snyder could get a judge to provide stacks of all-purpose warrants with blank names that could be filled in by the sign police just before they drag fans to porta-potties to be strip-searched.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Wait a minute. So you're saying that those who do not pay for premium seating are not as loyal of fans as the ones who do? Dan, Vinny, is that you? First of all, if I was going to a Redskins game and the cops wanted to strip search me for no reason, then they had better obtain a warrant. Implementing strip searches is against one's rights without reasonable cause.

Reasonable cause huh? Well, lets say that they "pat you down" and feel something like poster board under your shirt. You tell them its just a back brace. And then.................well, that sounds like reasonable cause to me.