The line is quite offensive right now

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?

While being a 'build through the O-Line' type of guy myself, the fact of the matter is that the guys on MNF were right. Part of the reason we can't compete in this division is we don't have a top 10 QB (Top 10 being a reference to talent not draft position).

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Personally I would love to have a Dolphins type turnaround, where they choose to bring in Jake Long over Matt Ryan (a mistake in hindsight but still Long is no slouch in the blocking department) and spend the rest of the draft adding big guys. However part of the reason they were able to turn around so quickly was that Chad Pennington became available. Personally I don't see that happening this off season as it's a rare enough occurance as it is.

Of course if we draft a OL with our first pick instead of a QB you definitely won't see me complaing.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

While being a 'build through the O-Line' type of guy myself, the fact of the matter is that the guys on MNF were right. Part of the reason we can't compete in this division is we don't have a top 10 QB (Top 10 being a reference to talent not draft position).

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Personally I would love to have a Dolphins type turnaround, where they choose to bring in Jake Long over Matt Ryan (a mistake in hindsight but still Long is no slouch in the blocking department) and spend the rest of the draft adding big guys. However part of the reason they were able to turn around so quickly was that Chad Pennington became available. Personally I don't see that happening this off season as it's a rare enough occurance as it is.

Of course if we draft a OL with our first pick instead of a QB you definitely won't see me complaing.

Under the new system, Randy Thomas would have been 2 years away from free agency when we got him.

Everyone is discounting the new rules on RFA's, it's going to prevent a ton of guys from becoming free agents. Of the list Matty had:

Jahri Evans, Marcus McNeil, Daryn Colledge, Jared Gaither, Jeremy Trueblood, David Baas, Khalif Barnes, Alex Barron, Jeromey Clary, Ryan Cook, Richie Incognito, Charlie Johnson, Chris Kuper, Deuce Lutui, Rudy Niswanger, Donald Penn, Chris Spencer, Jason Spitz, Adam Terry and Marshal Yanda

will NOT qualify for Unrestricted Free Agency. Are we starting to get the picture yet? That leaves a bunch of 30+ year olds unless you're willing to give up draft picks. The NFL is going to change in a big way. Players are going to be closer to 30 when they hit free agency and it's going to be easier to keep young talent. Free agency will become very lean in the future with no cap.

This will leave the Skins to sift through guys who aren't living up to big contracts (maybe a Robert Gallery) and are cut to avoid cap ramifications. That's essentially taking a flier on a guy to live up to his draft status...that usually doesn't work.

We need to accept that it may take more than one offseason to fix the O LINE and probably more than one to fix the whole offense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Not Tackles or Centers that everyone agrees are good. You'd be selecting players who other, smarter teams passed over for whatever reason. Doesn't mean you won't hit, just that the chances hover more around a coin flip instead of a sure thing.

Quarterbacks, on the other hand, if you can tell the good ones from the bad ones, you can pick up a good one in the late second or third round. Whether or not they'll be a top ten "talent" depends on whether you're successful on those OL picks or not.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

Top 5 QB draft picks are a total crap shoot. More bust than boom really. On the flip side, we're FAR more likely to get a top tier starting caliber O-lineman (who can immediately contribute) with a top 5-10 pick. I want no part of Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy.

IMO we'd be much better off taking a lineman with the 1st pick, then grabbing a QB in the second or third round. I said it before, I'd like to see Tony Pike or Zac Robinson. Depending on how the draft board looks in April, I wouldn't mind trading down in the first round to accumulate multiple selections. Hopefully we'll have a real GM making decisions by then.

[nyredskinsfan]

Nothing profound or enlightening here from me.

If you don't score points you can't win.

If you don't have an offensive line you can't run the ball.

If you don't have an offensive line the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball.

Last Monday it was pretty bad when the topic of discussion on ESPN Mike and Mike was how bad the Skin's are. Missed this mornings program but I'm sure it was somewhat dwelled on.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:

What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinster

What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.

Check out sportscurmudgeon's post before yours.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Check out sportscurmudgeon's post before yours.

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinster

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

How about ten season?

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

How about ten season?

What I meant when I said, "in one season" was "one offseason" No I think our problems are too numerous to fix by next year. I do agree that getting an O-lineman will be more beneficial for the 2010 season due to the learning curve, but I think we need to build for the future. I want a team that will win every year. A qb is the better route to go than one offensive lineman if we want to go in that direction.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinster

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

What timeframe are we talking about? This is very important because next season the correct answer is "Joe Thomas blocking for Jason Campbell or Colt Brennan" because it keeps a rookie QB from getting his teeth kicked in the way Ramsey and Carr did. It's pretty hard to develop when you're taking big shots, you have to be able to protect a young QB in order for them to be good or great or even develop. So, your question is more effectively asked, "What's more important? Having Chris Samuels or having Patrick Ramsey?"

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinster

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

We're not ONE o-lineman away

we're 2-3 from formidable, 4 from baller