Denial of free speech @ games?

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm all for freedom of speech, but if these people are that disgruntled with Snyder, wouldn't it speak louder to just not go to the games?

At the same time, throwing these people out is definitely thin skinned. Without the fans, there is no Daniel Snyder, there is no full stadium, there is no Washington Redskins. So, I DO think people have the right to voice their displeasure inside the stadium. Fans were even approached by security in the parking lots. Now, that is above and beyond.

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

Exactly! I didn't see one fan wearing any of those shirts on TV. But, if I had tuned in and noticed that half the stadium is empty (like it was last week,) then I would know something is wrong.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I watched the game last night and saw a full stadium and none of those protesters. I was actually surprised by how many fans went to the game and thought that the Eagle fans would be there in larger numbers.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Exactly! I didn't see one fan wearing any of those shirts on TV. But, if I had tuned in and noticed that half the stadium is empty (like it was last week,) then I would know something is wrong.

You guys didn't see the protesters because they weren't allowed into the stadium (or had to give up their protesting materials). Did you guys even read the first post/article? Sheesh.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

You guys didn't see the protesters because they weren't allowed into the stadium (or had to give up their protesting materials). Did you guys even read the first post/article? Sheesh.

Someone made the point they did this to get national attention on MNF and I just pointed out that none of it showed up on TV. SHeesh

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Someone made the point they did this to get national attention on MNF and I just pointed out that none of it showed up on TV. SHeesh

Ok. Are you saying that it didn't/won't show up on TV because the station will not cover it, and therefore such behavior will never send a message to the national audience? If so, I would have to disagree completely. Media loves controversy.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

You guys didn't see the protesters because they weren't allowed into the stadium (or had to give up their protesting materials). Did you guys even read the first post/article? Sheesh.

Actually I found/read the article even before it was posted here, so I'll see your sheesh and raise ya a whatever. Unless the TV cameras zero in on one or two particular fans, then those of us watching the game at home are going to notice empty seats more than what fans are wearing in the stands. That was really our point. If I tune in and see a stadium that is half way, or more, empty, then I am going to notice that first before I see what fans are wearing.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Actually I found/read the article even before it was posted here, so I'll see your sheesh and raise ya a whatever. Unless the TV cameras zero in on one or two particular fans, then those of us watching the game at home are going to notice empty seats more than what fans are wearing in the stands. That was really our point. If I tune in and see a stadium that is half way, or more, empty, then I am going to notice that first before I see what fans are wearing.

I agree you'd notice a half-empty stadium before noticing what people are wearing -- regardless of how many people are wearing it.

However, I don't think it's ineffective. Yeah, if only one or two particular fans are protesting, but that is not the case. What do you think the cameras would do, if 40,000 people were wearing the anti-snyder stuff? You think they'd ignore it? Well, they didn't have to make that decision because Snyder didn't let them in, or forced them to abandon the stuff that Snyder didn't approve of. Why did he do that, you ask? Because he didn't want it to receive any coverage. I think that says it all.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I agree you'd notice a half-empty stadium before noticing what people are wearing -- regardless of how many people are wearing it.

However, I don't think it's ineffective. Yeah, if only one or two particular fans are protesting, but that is not the case. What do you think the cameras would do, if 40,000 people were wearing the anti-snyder stuff? You think they'd ignore it? Well, they didn't have to make that decision because Snyder didn't let them in, or forced them to abandon the stuff that Snyder didn't approve of. Why did he do that, you ask? Because he didn't want it to receive any coverage. I think that says it all.

Well I think it's kind of the trickle down theory. It starts with written news articles or blogs about it. (which has already happened.) Then, ESPN gets wind of it and eventually it gets on TV. Basically what Dan Snyder is doing is trying to plug the holes in the dam as good as he can. However, eventually, more holes appear than what he has fingers and it can't be stopped. I still say the most affective way of sticking it to Snyder is to reduce, if not completely cut off, padding his pocket with money. No more buying tickets and going to the games, no concessions, no Redskins swag, no paid parking, etc... All the shirts really are doing is reinforcing what people already assume or know about Daniel Snyder. Seems to me the only guy who has said anything nice about him has been Joe Gibbs, but that is because Gibbs isn't the type of guy who is going to go publicly bashing people, and plus Snyder worships Gibbs.

As a fan who never goes to the games (because I don't live in the area nor do I have the money to go) the first thing I noticed last week and last night was which seats and how many were empty. More noticeable last week of course, but that speaks volumes to me.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Not showing up to the game is not getting the message across. The signs are for the nationally television audience that doesn't watch the Redskins on a weekly basis. A lot of the national audience do not know how bad the situation is. They watch one game and don't realize its an organization problem. If you only watch one game, you might think, its only one or two players that are not performing, as opposed to a cancerous lack of performance on the entire offense. The signs or needed. They voice the opinion of the fan and Danny & Vinny need to see it every week until they do something about it. Protest brings about change.

I don't know about that. If I tune into a game and I know that the home team is 2-4 and I am seeing that the stadium is not even half filled, then that says to me that there is something really wrong with the team. And, honestly, I really doubt that football fans of other teams are going to care if Snyder is the problem or if it's Portis. They are going to see that fans must be so fed up with the team that they don't bother even showing up to the stadium. I mean anyways, if one watches football on a regular basis, they would have to be living under a rock to not know that Daniel Snyder is not a very well liked owner amongst the Redskins fans and across the league.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't know about that. If I tune into a game and I know that the home team is 2-4 and I am seeing that the stadium is not even half filled, then that says to me that there is something really wrong with the team. And, honestly, I really doubt that football fans of other teams are going to care if Snyder is the problem or if it's Portis. They are going to see that fans must be so fed up with the team that they don't bother even showing up to the stadium. I mean anyways, if one watches football on a regular basis, they would have to be living under a rock to not know that Daniel Snyder is not a very well liked owner amongst the Redskins fans and across the league.

But, you're stuck with the bill dude! No matter what! Season ticket holders pay for the whole season before the season starts. And they paid to see this crap? I mean, what are they going to do? Stay home and eat the cost of their tickets? Eat the thousands of dollars that they spent on them? Or.............get some frustration out! Head on up to that stadium and let everyone know how pissed off you are! You might as well. I mean, you're stuck with the tickets. You might as well have fun with it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Miller101

But, you're stuck with the bill dude! No matter what! Season ticket holders pay for the whole season before the season starts. And they paid to see this crap? I mean, what are they going to do? Stay home and eat the cost of their tickets? Eat the thousands of dollars that they spent on them? Or.............get some frustration out! Head on up to that stadium and let everyone know how pissed off you are! You might as well. I mean, you're stuck with the tickets. You might as well have fun with it.

Plus he enjoys the luxary of collecting interest on our money when we have to pay for out tickets in Febuary, and don't sit in a seat until September.

I'm never going to be strip-searched in any stadium, at any time.

[Trample the Elderly]

GD you guys are little uptight huh? He was just making a joke. Maybe a cavity search would do you some good?

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

GD you guys are little uptight huh? He was just making a joke. Maybe a cavity search would do you some good?

Now you're talking!!! Sign me UP!!!

[Chevy13]

Oh my God is it true that no fans can take signs to FedEx Field anymore? I wasn't sure if to believe it or not since it is PFT..
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