Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Green1]

Buster your doing a great job with updates. Keep it up

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Green1

Buster your doing a great job with updates. Keep it up

Thank you.


I will.


Before the season, I strongly supported keeping Campbell. I thought he'd have a big year, which is now clearly impossible without a competent offensive line. However, I stand by my views on Campbell, Cutler and Sanchez and intend to keep compiling the stats that support my stance on it.

Sure, if Campbell's stats proved it, I COULD admit I was wrong and move on, but I don't see that as necessary because he is actually proving to be just as good, or better than the other two QBs even with the distinct disadvantage of playing behind Vinny Cerrato's idea of an offensive line. I still say we made the right decision and wouldn't be any better of a team with another QB this season, but we COULD be worse. Let Collins play a few games and when he's admitted to the hospital, we'll see that.

I also believe that unlike Zorn, Jason Campbell has done enough to earn another year with the team and if he's given a line and has a coach capable of understanding playcalling...can excel.

[Monkeydad]

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
Campbell: 20 sacked

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell was not sacked and threw no INTs in Week 8!

Cutler:
WK 8 - 17/30 (56.7%), 225 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 66.7 rating, 32 rush yds
TOTAL: 153/239 (64.0%), 1,677 yds, 11 TD, 11 INT, 80.8 rating, 92 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 8 - 20/35 (57.1%), 265 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 100.3 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 114/213 (53.5%), 1,443 yds, 8 TD, 10 INT, 67.9 rating, 60 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 8 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Cutler (1,677) Campbell (1,481) Sanchez (1,443)
TDs = Cutler (11), Campbell (8), Sanchez (8)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (7), Sanchez (10) Cutler (11)
QB rating = Campbell (85.8), Cutler (80.8), Sanchez (67.9)
Rush yds = Campbell (103), Cutler (92), Sanchez(60)


Week 8 Campbell overview:
At this point in the season, Campbell and Cutler have had their bye weeks, Sanchez has played in 8 games to their 7, yet still comes in with the least stats in all categories; only Cutler has more INTs, saving Sanchez from the basement in every stat I'm tracking.

Both Cutler and Sanchez were on the losing side of the scoreboards in Week 8. Cutler had no TDs and another INT, with a poor performance against the Browns. Sanchez had a better game than Cutler with a pair of TD passes and decent yardage, but was still inaccurate against the Dolphins. Both QBs had sub-60% completion percentages this week.

Campbell still leads all three QBs in completion %, QB rating, fewest INTs and rushing yardage. Cutler overtook him in yardage this week as the Redskins had the week off.

If looking at the TD/INT categories, so far Campbell is +1 with 8 TDs/7 INTs. It does not look impressive, but Cutler is even with 11 TDs/11 INTs and Sanchez is -2 with his 8 TDs/10 INTs. This is not an official or possibly even useful stat, but it does show that Campbell does make fewer mistakes, even with his joke of an offensive line and no protection or time. Since I know someone will mention fumbles now, here you go:

Cutler: 7 fumbles, 1 lost
Sanchez: 8 fumbles, 2 lost
Campbell: 10 fumbles, 3 lost

Let's also look at sacks:

Cutler: 11 sacked
Sanchez: 15 sacked
Campbell: 20 sacked

Campbell is getting killed, even with having the most mobility of the 3 QBs. You can see a direct correlation with times sacked vs. fumbles.

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

I see what you're saying but I'm not sure any of us have the power to say don't comment on my posts if you don't like them haha

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

JC who????? This argument isn't even an argument... Campbell is terrible and Cutler is legit but has nothing to throw to.. We would have been way better with Cutler or Sanchez, so can we stop talking about Campbell!! I can't wait until he's gone.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

He might not have the NFL big names but he has NFL WR's put up good numbers. Cutler has something he's not alone like ppl make him out to be.

Earl Bennett WR 25 rec. 334 yards
Devin Hester WR 35 rec. 454 yards
Johnny Knox WR 24 rec. 310 yards
Greg Olsen TE 22 rec. 215 yards
Matt Forte RB 24 rec. 185 yards

Malcolm Kelly WR 7 rec. 73 yards
Devin Thomas WR 7 rec. 71 yards
Santana Moss WR 28 rec. 453 yards
Antwaan Randle EL WR 23 rec. 248 yards
Chris Cooley TE 29 rec. 332 yards
Clinton Portis RB 9 rec. 57 yards

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Well, try not to get all high and mighty on those of us trying to have a civil conversation.

Campbell is struggling at a whole lot of things right now, and his overall numbers are dropping to career-average levels. At the end of the year, Campbell will more or less look like the same passer he has the last few seasons, which disappoints those of us who were predicting 20% improvement across the board.