Your next QB for the Skins?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You could just replace "Bulger" with "Campbell" and the argument fits just as well.

We'd still have to fix the obvious issues with the offense before you could sap one ounce of Bulgers talent, and at that point, you're still not getting anything you wouldn't have with Campbell.

Well you'd have to fix the o-line but Bulger is a more accurate passer than JC. He doesn't have the physical skills, arm mobility and so on... but I think he can be a better QB with a good team around him. Bulger does something I've never ever seen JC do in 5 years, he actually throws the ball before wr's come out of their breaks.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well you'd have to fix the o-line but Bulger is a more accurate passer than JC. He doesn't have the physical skills, arm mobility and so on... but I think he can be a better QB with a good team around him. Bulger does something I've never ever seen JC do in 5 years, he actually throws the ball before wr's come out of their breaks.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Clausen if he's there without having to trading up. If not, take Okung and then another OL (Black from LSU?) in the second. QB will have to come through FA / trade until 2011.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Clausen if he's there without having to trading up. If not, take Okung and then another OL (Black from LSU?) in the second. QB will have to come through FA / trade until 2011.

So Clausen or bust as far as college QBs for you?

(Watching Tim Tebow's game from last weekend now)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So Clausen or bust as far as college QBs for you?

(Watching Tim Tebow's game from last weekend now)

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

I agree about Clausen and the "it" factor. It's hard to turn down a franchise QB. There's always risk but the rewards are undeniable. Think Peyton Manning. I also thought that Brady Quinn had "it" so my judgement isn't always the best.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

Hopefully I'll get to watch some of Robinson on Sat. Snead has struggled a bit this year. Mallet from Ark may come out this year, pretty raw, but very big and a cannon arm.

The picture didn't come up but I know who you mean.....Clausen = Sunshine LOL

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.

He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.

The backs have been terrible at pass pro going back to last year. Portis makes it seem a lot better than it really is because the only time you ever really notice the backs is when Portis is sticking someone at the line, but our poor protection has never just been about the front five.

This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.

Not that our tackles are notably terrible players (they are below average), but their ends are just on a different level of accomplishment.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.

He would fail here under the current circumstances, but we need to see who the GM and coach will be going forward. If they're solid and committed to building a good OL in front of Clausen he'll be fine. Peyton and Troy Aikman come to mind as QBs who had to struggle through their rookie season but turned out OK

He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.

I haven't noticed him looking small compared to the other players out there. Everything I've seen has him listed at 6'3", maybe they're giving him an inch or two (but it's not like Chase Daniels was 6' either LOL).

This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.

We see this one the same. I know I've said it 1000 times, the line shuffle killed us. Heyer would be fine at RT. He's quick enough over there against most LDEs, if someone throws a Tuck or Peppers he may get beat once in a while, but he's solid over there. If Rinehart isn't hurt (which I don't think he is) IDK what the coaches saw to bench him for Monty. MW can play G, his quickness and footwork are too poor for even RT.

What is baffling to me is that it doesn't look like the Skins have a blitz pick-up session at all during the week. At the last HS I was at we had 15-20 min, at least twice per week, during game weeks of blitz pick-ups with the OL and RBs. We would look at film of the upcoming team and run their blitzes to make sure we picked them up. It sure doesn't look like the Skins are doing this, or if they are someone ain't paying attention.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Moss was a bit open there too.. and he was past his break

I know that you can't come up with video of every time he actually has, but it'd still be the exception

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Moss was a bit open there too.. and he was past his break

I know that you can't come up with video of every time he actually has, but it'd still be the exception

I'm more impressed with ARE jumping over Moss after the TD.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

analyze the whole body of work. not the best play of his career.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

analyze the whole body of work. not the best play of his career.

Thank you so much dude!! JC has sucked for the most part of his career and I doubt he will ever start in this league again unless it's Cleveland or something. We just need a new beginning and it's time for JC to go.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Thank you so much dude!! JC has sucked for the most part of his career and I doubt he will ever start in this league again unless it's Cleveland or something. We just need a new beginning and it's time for JC to go.

I agree and disagree at the same time. JC is not starter caliber, but we will need him in an emergency role. Collins will probably retire after this season or will be shown the door. You do need a vet to back you up if the rook or newbie struggles.